Economics: "Doing Jobs Americans Won't Do."

[grape]

rammsteindragon said:

slayerx said:

Liar. If you've been electrocuted, you're dead.

...You don't know much do you? There's different voltage amounts you know... People have survived these things before, it's nothing new.

Late reply but......

I have a shock box, and I play with it in my free time. I've been able to reach 40 Volts. I should figure out the current though.

And I don't really understand what people have against what others are doing that they wouldn't do. Is that really a problem?
How are the taxes over there? I kinda forgot.

[Demona]

grape said:

rammsteindragon said:

...You don't know much do you? There's different voltage amounts you know... People have survived these things before, it's nothing new.

Late reply but......

I have a shock box, and I play with it in my free time. I've been able to reach 40 Volts. I should figure out the current though.

And I don't really understand what people have against what others are doing that they wouldn't do. Is that really a problem?
How are the taxes over there? I kinda forgot.

a shcok box...what's that? you mean you do this on purpose?

[earlthekevin]

This site is almost impossible to have a real conversation/ intelligent debate on because half the time all the "liberals" and all the "conservatives" do is take little pot-shots at each other.


My opinion in this matter is that if there is more is people trying to get the same job that will lend into a more competitive arena where the best worker should be hired. I also see that the illegals in the united states make getting jobs harder because then instead of going with the legitimate citizens and paying 7.50 and hour they could get an alien to do the work for a third the price.

One thing that is ridiculous is the steps to become a citizen. You must first get a green card which, on average in Mexico, takes 27 years to get. Then you must pay 675$ and take a test on your ability to speak English, knowledge about the US, and a one on one interview. As you can see this is hardly feasible to many poor or under-privileged immigrants.

[cactus1]

a shcok box...what's that? you mean you do this on purpose?

I'm pretty sure he does. Didn't you mention something about that in your blog at one time?
It's pretty easy to get a couple hundred volts from an AA battery. Just need a bunch of high-voltage, high capacitance capacitors, high voltage diodes, and power transistors.

This site is almost impossible to have a real conversation/ intelligent debate on because half the time all the "liberals" and all the "conservatives" do is take little pot-shots at each other.

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I'm lost at how considering war with Mexico is treason.
[potshot] Does not killing the environment for a handful of oil businessmen count as treason against the nature, whose reign envelops the entire universe?[/potshot]
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Well said, ETK. The main issue is that we can't keep up with the immigrants, who keep raising the bar of labor. Instead of proactively solving the problem, we blame them and react, not taking responsibility that we should. We should improve, not try to degrade their work.

[Mahnarch]

Skier1 said:

Until now, I have made three posts in this thread. The first was a simple statement, not barbed at all. I was just expressing a different viewpoint. The other two posts were trying to stop the rather petty personal attacks and justify the deletion of Slayer's post. I can see how you'd mistake me for Earl, though... our posting styles are similar.

I wasn't just talking about this thread, man. I meant the entire board, altogether.

I do have to disagree with your earlier comment about the age thing.

A 13 year old has never paid an electric bill.
A 14 year old has never been pulled over for DUI (except that one stupid kid in the news a few years back.)
A 16 year old has never voted.
A 20 year old has never been called an 'Old Fart' and dismissed as senile.

With age comes certain experiences and differing views on life.
Just because a kid can recite Lincoln's Gettysberg Address doesn't make him 'life smart'.

I do agree that kids are getting smarter, younger, however.
I believe the advent of the intrawebs have done alot with that.

There are some pre-teens that can script in C++ when it used to take 6 years of college for a 20-something to do it.

Someday, kindergarteners will have computer machines on their wristwatches and newspapers will be a thing of the past.

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(different stuff)

If we could somehow improve Mexico's work related situation and/or living environment (make them have pride in their country again) then maybe they'll stay put.

What they need is a revolt against the corrupt government that's leading them now.

50 millions marchers/warriors against a tiny few corrupted can get a job done.

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Similarly, a group of highly trained, combat ready Marines should be able to 'persuade' one or two greedy Prosecutors from bringing lawsuits against our U.S. troops in Iraq-istan.

[cactus1]

The Mexicans need a starting event, like how a fire, no matter how big, starts with a small spark. They won't realize how weak their government is unless they see it. Seeing as how the Iraq War is not at all an inspiration, it'd be better to deploy troops south of the border.

[skier1]

I wasn't just talking about this thread, man. I meant the entire board, altogether.

I've dismissed incorrect historical statements. That's not personal.

A 13 year old has never paid an electric bill.
A 14 year old has never been pulled over for DUI (except that one stupid kid in the news a few years back.)
A 16 year old has never voted.
A 20 year old has never been called an 'Old Fart' and dismissed as senile.

And none of that should matter. All that paying an electric bill represents is responsibility. If a kid is raised correctly, they should be held responsible for their actions from birth anyway. You can live without getting a DUI, and know how life works. In fact, I would argue that getting a DUI would put the person at a lower level of knowledge since they either don't know how to control themselves, or don't know how to avoid cops. The act of voting isn't as important as understanding the issues behind the act, which means a kid could just as easily understand it. And the last one is circular logic, since it assumes that age is being used as bias as proof that age should be used as bias.

[cactus1]

A 13 year old has never paid an electric bill.

Neither have hobos.

A 14 year old has never been pulled over for DUI (except that one stupid kid in the news a few years back.)

Neither have teetotalers.

A 16 year old has never voted.

Neither have some eligible people who prefer to avoid politics.

A 20 year old has never been called an 'Old Fart' and dismissed as senile.

A person who's lived in isolation for the entirety of his/her life never sees this event, either.

[Kimm]

Just for my 2 cents I am a firm believer that you should register to vote.

If you dont like either candidate and you choose to skip that column thats fine, I hate it when people who are old enough to vote dont and then they complain that
"None of the choices are any better."

I believe thats never going to change if you cant be bothered to vote.

Gray Davis was ousted in California and a county clerk was ousted the same way not too far from where I live.

Neither actually broke the law or anything so they only got residents mad. They called a no confidence and got these guys ousted.

As far as Im concerned too bad. You voted him in youre stuck with him for 4 years.

[Mahnarch]

Skier, I'm too lazy to copy screen prints, load them and paste them to show you.
And I'm too lazy to hunt them down in the first place - so I'll concede to your 'not personal' point.

Plus, I can't call up any specifics whthout hunting them down. So, call it procrastination on my part.
If they are all 'corrections', then good. You're a better man than I perceived.

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Cactus, agreed. The biggest fire starts off small.
In fact, the Iraqis like their new freedoms but, none of them are helping en mass to do anything about it.

Probably comes from the subconcious thinking that 'no matter what they do it won't help' life they've been brought up in.

With Mexico, gather the residents and show them what's going on.
Rally them like Hitler did the Germans, only with good intentions, this time.

The Nazi party followed Hitler and did what they did out of pride, not fear. Although, the Gestapo did what they did out of just being common thug pricks.

I'm not saying 'Turn Mexico Nazi', I'm saying instill some pride and a motive to overthrow the lifestyle they're living, now.

Have a million man march on their government.
And, when they get the corrupts ousted, they can just lock them up or exile them (NOT TO THE U.S.!)
They don't have to kill them.

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Kimmie, you're right.

All through my late teens and early 20s I stood fast in believing that my vote didn't count (which I'm still a little skeptical on) and I viewed it as 'if I don't register I can renounce my citizenship'.

In the Declaration of Independence (Article 2, Paragraph 1, Sentence 2) is states:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

I always viewed this as: No man shall rule over another unless that man gives his consent.
By 'registering' you would be giving that consent and I never did.
In that measure I could, in my mind, not have to do what the government said.

It wasn't until years later that I realized that the Big G would go about any measure to make anyone do whatever they wanted, so I'm registered and I bring my loud voice to the table.

In fact, I emailed the White House the other day.
I won't get into specifics, but it has to do with a link on their very own website.
I was nice but, firm.
And I haven't seen any black helicopters flying nearby, yet.