Economics: "Doing Jobs Americans Won't Do."

[Mahnarch]

I hate to keep rehashing subjects like this but, it still irks me that the illegals are still demanding rights after they've commited a crime (jumping the border) and they're still insisting that they're doing the jobs that American's won't do.

It's not that: They're doing jobs American's won't do.
It's: They're doing jobs American's used to do.

And they're finally hurting the federal pocket book.

Read: www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=1381904

A snippet:

Many people, especially those of a liberal persuasion, say that illegal alien immigration is not a real crime because it is “victimless” and that the illegal aliens are “only doing the work that Americans won’t.” In actual fact however, illegal immigration distorts the law of supply and demand in a capitalistic society. In fact, regarding wages, it is hypocritical to want to raise the minimum wage on one hand while the other hand wink at illegal immigrants working at far below prevailing wages. The victim, then, is the American worker and taxpayer.

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At the end of this month (September) Michigan government is shutting down for the rest of the year.
I'm not sure if the rest of the U.S. is doing the same.

That means, limited or no Secretary of State.
Fewer police patrols.
Less, if no Disability checks.
No government aid.
Early release of inmates.
No more casinoing.
No more issuances of Liquor licenses.
No snow plows on the highways this winter.
and less men maning the firestations.

Mostly because there is no "Cash Under The Table Tax" that could keep the state of Michigan up and running.
Less mostly because Granholm can't add 2 and 2 in her own checkbook, must less the state's.

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A buddy's younger brother took Advanced Economics in college and told me a story of a young lady in his class who asked, "If the government is so poor, why don't they just print more money to use?"

........in Advanced Economics....

Kids. I tell ya.
Also, Libs. I tell ya.

Oye!

[grape]

It's not exactly the printing of the money that is the problem.

If you print more money, who will get it?
If you print more money, it gets harder to earn.

Here in Mexico, the national treasury has a creative way to control the currency. The treasury has a lot of gold and valuable things (like jewelry, diamonds, gold, silver, etc.). Every single peso and cent is worth a tiny bit of that stuff.

I forgot how the American Treasury works but if you increase the printing of bills, it would still be useless.

[Phil]

Increasing the print of bills would lower the value because there has to be gold or silver backing the printed money. There is an alotment that can thin the value of more dollars need to be in circulation but that can cause a fast recession.

[thunderbird]

This is such a tough one for me because so many times I've been made aware of how poverished conditions can be.

I have 3 guys I sponsored 2 of them played baseball with Classicblast at one point and the other is a brother of 1 of the exball players.
They're hard workers. And they're greatful for the new life.

I understand that illegals could work cheaper and make it a block to jobs of Americans too and that is a problem. Raising minimum wage only means inflation. IT also means no kids on summer work program because wages would be too high to employ inexperienced people.

Minimum wage is too much for some people there should be a different minimum wage for students as for adults who might be inexperienced but don't have strings like not working past a time cerfew, or amound of hours on a school night and whatnot.

If I have a untrained aprentice and he is using a jackhammer and doesn't know how to use it properly, suppose he ends up breaking a window on the house we're remodeling.

That means while I'm paying him his wages to learn, and I'm teaching him the job, I also have to buy a window. And I wouldn't have if he was more experienced. Yet I have to pay him the wages of a trained operator anyway.

That was just an anaylisis there are some hazards of work that happen and nomatter how experienced you are they just happen.

Just last week I knocked out lamp post with a digger. So that mishap cost me a few bucks. That's part of business. A lot of my trucks have dented tailgates and back bumpers because my guys don't know when they're too close to the trailer when they're trying to hook them together.
Sometimes they unhook the trailer and forget to unplug the wiring harness. That makes for some electrical work when it's torn out.

With all that said I can see how some employers could figure if you're not paying high wages, and high payroll taxes, and health care, and vacation days, and and, and, and, and, and, and.


Some of those mistakes aren't quite as costly.

I'm not supporting it just observing it.

If an illegal is here and receiving the good life they came to receive it would be nice not to get too greedy either.

And I shoudln't have to press 1 for English. Immigrants legal or otherwise. When you get to American learn the language. Everybody else did.

[Demona]

Where I work the city has lots of Mexicans and other Spanish speaking people. Whether they are illegal or not, who knows, but the signs in alot of places now have Spanish on them as well because some of the n00bs might not know English yet...

Anyhow, about minimum wage, maybe it should stay lower because everything else went up. You can't live on minimum wage alone but I think places that start out at that should increase it after you've been there for a decent amount of time to something you can make do on. Where I work the job I do starts off at that but wasn't always that way, we've got an assistant who's been there 20 years, and a worker who's come back out of retirement who's been there as long...so how could he have made it that long?

I don't like it that immigrants are taking our jobs away...and it's right that it's not jobs we "don't want to do" but "used to do." Mexico might suck to live in for some of them but it's dragging our country down too with so many foreigners and less jobs for the people born and raised here who've got every right to have a job. Either do it the right way or go back.

It also pisses me off to hear about jobs sent to other countries because the companies are too cheap. Wonderful for those Chinese and whatnot who are working but poopy for us because not everyone can afford to go to college or even qualify if they can. It's also much harder to find work these days, even at the factories that aren't gone. I'm certified to do a job I went to a trade school for but had to settle for something paying less because interview after interview and rarely did these places have the courtesy to call back or send a letter...and when they did it was all the same nonsense.

[Mahnarch]

grape said:

It's not exactly the printing of the money that is the problem.

If you print more money, who will get it?
If you print more money, it gets harder to earn.

Here in Mexico, the national treasury has a creative way to control the currency. The treasury has a lot of gold and valuable things (like jewelry, diamonds, gold, silver, etc.). Every single peso and cent is worth a tiny bit of that stuff.

I forgot how the American Treasury works but if you increase the printing of bills, it would still be useless.

The U.S. Dollar USED to be backed by gold until 1923 when the U.S. treasery decided to stop and...not really 'trick' Americans but, to tell them that the printed paper money and coins could be used as legal tender.

It's built on a trust system where, "If I give you this item for that piece of paper. I can be guarenteed that I can trade that same piece of paper for something else that I want with someone else."

The paper it's printed on is useless.
Just a "Note", if you will, saying you have a credit with someone else.

Like: If Bill lends Jack $20 and Trevor owes Jack $20, Trevor can pay Bill and both Jack and Trevor are forgiven the debt.
Kinda...

But, printing more money would mean more supply.
More supply means less value.
If the U.S doubled it's printed bills tomorrow, the U.S. Dollar would plummet to $0.50, globally.

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With minimum wages, I agree that apprenticeship wages should be lower than experienced wages.

If you're on a new job, and the boss is teaching you, how does he know that his efforts and your mistakes aren't going to be more costly as you skip out on him after you learn how to do stuff and you start your own business in direct competition with him?

And, it's because of the minimum wages that the highschool kids are staying home and getting fatter because they can't get summer jobs anymore.

They can't even mow the neighbors grass because 12 Mexicans are doing it.

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And, Demona, have you noticed the recent influx of Asians in our area?

I wasted alot of time learning Spanish so I could understand the kids at the mall when they were talking about me or my lady-friends (which comes in handy).
And a lot of time learning Japanese just because it's cool, but now I'm faced with a lot of Chinese and Vietnamese.

I like to go the DMV and stand in line behind Mexicans while the bilingual SOS lady speaks to them and then I walk up and start in Japanese.

White guy,,,speaking Japanese.
Gets 'em everytime.

I usually tell them that I'm testing to see how good they are. lol.

[thunderbird]

Good posts Demona Firebrand and Mahnarch.

I don't like outsourcing either.

I actually try to shop domestic when possible but that gets harder all the time. I had no luck whatsoever finding an American made card table. A stinken cardtable.

Had I had more time to shop I might have found one but I couldn't take the rest of my life to shop for that.

Kids getting fat because of minimum wage being too high? That's a good one I'm going to steal it.

[Demona]

Grand Rapids actually has lots more asians than Holland. A certain area I think by Division has alot of Korean and Vietnamese.

[Classicblast]

rammsteindragon said:

Grand Rapids actually has lots more asians than Holland. A certain area I think by Division has alot of Korean and Vietnamese.

I wonder what brings certain country people to what region. Almost any city that has a baseball team of any level will have a large Hispanic population. I could even see area farmers and warehouses receiving immigrants who will possibly work below minimum wage just to be in America. But sometimes I wonder what draws the people there in the first place.

[Sui Generis]

I'm just getting pissed off because I spent the past five years in college, commuting 4 hours a day, taking care of a child with special needs,getting 2 degrees, all while graduating with a A average and I can't find a freaking job. To top it off, my student loan re-paymets start next month.

Why, you ask.? Because I don't speak Spanish fluently. I speak some, but not enough to do the type of work I'm trying to get into. I have been actually told I am no longer considered a candidate because of my inability to speak Spanish.

The last time I checked, ENGLISH was the official language.

If anyone is interested, I am trying to get a job with a non-profit mental health organization as a case manager. Chances are if you don't speak English, you're here illegally. Otherwise, how would you pass the citizenship test, which is admistered in English?

So, I guess it's Target, here I come.

Wow, I'm sure glad I went to university for 5 years. *eye roll*

[Blastgirl]

I agree about speaking English. I know a lot of Hispanics but I don't speak Spanish. Classicblast does a little bit or at least he understands it.

That doesn't seem fair that Sui Generis and others should have to modify their language skills under those particular circumstances.

[Kimm]

I know we all say things like American Jobs and Im as guilty of that as anybody else but we should all think about that whenever we look at items and say "this is cheaper." Thats a choice we make at that time.

And what makes it possible is cheap labor of some type.

[Demona]

suigeneris said:

I'm just getting pissed off because I spent the past five years in college, commuting 4 hours a day, taking care of a child with special needs,getting 2 degrees, all while graduating with a A average and I can't find a freaking job. To top it off, my student loan re-paymets start next month.

Why, you ask.? Because I don't speak Spanish fluently. I speak some, but not enough to do the type of work I'm trying to get into. I have been actually told I am no longer considered a candidate because of my inability to speak Spanish.

The last time I checked, ENGLISH was the official language.

If anyone is interested, I am trying to get a job with a non-profit mental health organization as a case manager. Chances are if you don't speak English, you're here illegally. Otherwise, how would you pass the citizenship test, which is admistered in English?

So, I guess it's Target, here I come.

Wow, I'm sure glad I went to university for 5 years. *eye roll*

That'd piss anyone off! Why should we need to bend over backwards for them when we're the majority and they should conform to us?

[jesusaurus]

suigeneris said:

I'm just getting pissed off because I spent the past five years in college, commuting 4 hours a day, taking care of a child with special needs,getting 2 degrees, all while graduating with a A average and I can't find a freaking job. To top it off, my student loan re-paymets start next month.

Why, you ask.? Because I don't speak Spanish fluently. I speak some, but not enough to do the type of work I'm trying to get into. I have been actually told I am no longer considered a candidate because of my inability to speak Spanish.

The last time I checked, ENGLISH was the official language.

If anyone is interested, I am trying to get a job with a non-profit mental health organization as a case manager. Chances are if you don't speak English, you're here illegally. Otherwise, how would you pass the citizenship test, which is admistered in English?

So, I guess it's Target, here I come.

Wow, I'm sure glad I went to university for 5 years. *eye roll*

you should of realized that before you went to college for 5 years. Also you couldn't take Spanish as your language req.? You fail

[Kimm]

Because the majority doesnt rule all the time often its the loudest mouth.

The old saying the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

[Demona]

jesusaurus said:

suigeneris said:

I'm just getting pissed off because I spent the past five years in college, commuting 4 hours a day, taking care of a child with special needs,getting 2 degrees, all while graduating with a A average and I can't find a freaking job. To top it off, my student loan re-paymets start next month.

Why, you ask.? Because I don't speak Spanish fluently. I speak some, but not enough to do the type of work I'm trying to get into. I have been actually told I am no longer considered a candidate because of my inability to speak Spanish.

The last time I checked, ENGLISH was the official language.

If anyone is interested, I am trying to get a job with a non-profit mental health organization as a case manager. Chances are if you don't speak English, you're here illegally. Otherwise, how would you pass the citizenship test, which is admistered in English?

So, I guess it's Target, here I come.

Wow, I'm sure glad I went to university for 5 years. *eye roll*

you should of realized that before you went to college for 5 years. Also you couldn't take Spanish as your language req.? You fail

leave them alone! maybe they didn't honestly know they had to!

[jesusaurus]

I doubt that.

I forgot to mention way to come in here Sui and just start bitching your first post *clap*

[Kimm]

This is a topic about jobs and there was nothing wrong with Sui Generiss post.

Way to circumvent the editing and get your swear word on the board anyway. Clap

Sui Generis Im sure with a degree you will get an equal or better job and not have to take languages courses to get there.

_______, you could have made your point without being confrontational.