murderer on the loose

[angel607]

sorry about forgetting the quotes Mahnarch. I copied and pasted it from aol I think.

[Phil]

That will probably cook his goose. Once you've lied under oath about something it raises doubts if anything you said was the truth.

[Kimm]

Im glad theyre ready to take another look at this case I was fearing they might have dismissed it already.

[angel607]

i was afraid to that they would dismiss the case but I knew from the start Zimmerman was guilty. I am glad for the people who took a stand protested and now this case goes to trial. he is used to getting away with things and I don't want that to happen again.

[Phil]

Most of the time a suspect doesn't get out entirely scot-free. Most of the time there's more to it and it gets found out. This guy seems to have lied about some important info that might not convict him exactly for the murder but at least he will have to do some time, it looks like he isn't going to be able to slip through the cracks like it seemed at 1st.

Not unlike OJ Simpson. They didn't convict Simpson for murder but they did get him for other things and he did get put in prison.

[angel607]

newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/#.T-cpwxNfV8s.twitter


i posted a link above about something I just found out today for the case. Zimmerman was on drugs that make cause violent reactions and make you see things that are not there. through a lot of this case it seems like Zimmerman is trying to sell more lies. I just hope they don't buy it.

[Classicblast]

There's been lying under oath and now this. Its unlikely he's going to have a reasonable defense now.

[Phil]

Jun 25, 2012 0:23:27 GMT -5 Classicblast said:

There's been lying under oath and now this. Its unlikely he's going to have a reasonable defense now.

I think the big key is lying under oath. Once you're known to have done that nothing you say holds much water after this. You can be truthful from there on out but you have already ruined it by proving that you are someone who might lie under oath.

[angel607]

i agree. he worked hard making it sound like the victim attacked him and had people feel sorry for him. the sick part was he had a online website where people donated money for his defense. I know sometimes justice takes awhile but I am glad his lies are falling apart and he won't get away with this.

[Classicblast]

There's going to be much controversy over the nation for a long time with a not guilty verdict.

[Kimm]

Martin may have attacked him but Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatch to remain in his car until back up arrives and he followed Martin anyway part of me things he was looking for the chance to shoot someone. When you learn of Zimmermans background he had continuously looked for police and guard jobs. I am not expressing what I mean well but its like he was trying to get a position where he could have the right to take measures on others.

[Jersey]

I think this topic perfectly exemplifies just how much the news media influenced this case, altered the perception of what followed the initial events, and propagated this horrifying abuse of a private citizen who was ultimately found innocent of any crime.

In the beginning, the narrative we were told and were hearing was that a white man had killed a black child in cold blood down in Florida. The white was George Zimmerman and the black was Trayvon Martin. Sides were taken immediately; whites against blacks, New Black Panthers/Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson calling for justice and prosecution and putting out bounties before all the facts of the case were known. Literal internet lynch mobs were formed and are still active now more than ever. Hatred abounded and was propagated by our own government. News outlets (CNN and MSNBC), all liberal, purposefully doctored footage, edited phone calls and the 911 recording, and publicly broadcasted Zimmerman's Social Security number. Photographs shown of Trayvon Martin showed him years younger than he actually was in order to paint a more sympathetic picture and make him look like an innocent and sweet child. They also coined a new racial term, "White Hispanic", in order to propagate their own narrative that this was a racial attack. Celebrities got involved and came incredibly close to advocating lynching Zimmerman, while others openly called for it and are still now continuing to issue death threats.

Obama got involved and took one side over this other. In my opinion, this was an abuse of his office and position that only adds to multitudes of abuses and crimes he has committed against the Constitution and the citizens of this nation. His Justice Department under his number one crony Eric Holder has now been exposed as the agency responsible for organizing the protests that turned violent in Florida after the incident made news.

While the Obama government was pressing for an arrest, along with all the news media, the chief of police in that county refused to arrest Zimmerman because there was not sufficient evidence to do so. He was fired by the Obama Administration and replaced with a police chief that would make the arrest without question. By hook or by crook, Zimmerman was going to be put on trial no matter what the evidence. And the government was going to push as hard as possible for a guilty verdict by installing one of their own as a judge in the case and pressuring the jury selection to include all females that were mothers. This case was the big chance for the Obama administration to further divide this nation, push for gun control, repeal stand your ground laws, and seize more power.

The trial was a political sideshow circus the likes of which one can't even imagine. The prosecution had no case. Their star witness was an illiterate woman who could only claim the situation happened one way while the evidence showed another. It was a slam dunk for the defense; they had evidence of injury, forensic analysis of the shot angle that showed Zimmerman was on his back being beaten, and most importantly an eyewitness testimony that utterly destroyed the account of the prosecution's star witness. On top of it all, and thanks to the Obama Administration, the prosecution overplayed their hand. They went for second degree murder, which was the charge that fit the narrative the media and the government has pushed for the last year; that Zimmerman stalked and shot Martin in cold blood because he was a racist. While some believe that's true (and some reside on this Internet forum) in the criminal justice system as it still is now, its all about what you can PROVE. And they couldn't prove that this is what happened. The evidence was stacked against the conclusion that was reached in the court of public opinion.

George Zimmerman had the news media, the Black Panthers, about half the citizenry, the United States government, the Justice Department, and even the President of the United States against him. And he won. And he has also lost, alongside the American people. Terribly. Why?

I suppose in that regard what we need to ask ourselves is whether or not a lawless liberal media has created a new set of laws that have superseded our courts and our justice system in the name of their political ideology. How is it possible, in that America today, for a private citizen to obtain a fair trial if the media decides that an incident happened one way while the evidence is still being processed and could still show that it ultimately happened another? It's an impossibility. And it's also a sign of totalitarianism. When private citizens are accused of something that they may yet be innocent of, and half the public believes the narrative and the government pushes for their railroading, there is no justice system. Your rights are gone.

So for those that remain convinced of Zimmerman's guilt, you may remain happy and satisfied that he will never again have a chance of leading a normal life. He will have to change his name. He will always be looking over his shoulder for death to head his direction. He'll never get hired or find work again. He may even have to flee the country. On top of it all, Eric Holder is now mulling over ignoring double jeopardy laws (a constitutional requirement) in order to prosecute Zimmerman again in a civil trial. Again, claiming that this was a racial attack. So there is a lot to be happy about for those that believe Zimmerman is guilty. His life is over.

As for the rest of us, who are either on the side of Zimmerman or apathetic to the whole thing, we remain primarily concerned with the bigger picture; the horrifying abuses of power committed by the President, the Democratic Party, political organizations like the Black Panthers, celebrities, and special interest groups. Because people believe in Zimmerman's guilt, and the justice system has been rendered irrelevant by our out of control media. It no longer matters who is guilty or innocent. Citizens are now guilty until proven innocent. Zimmerman will fear for his life until the day he dies at the hands of a vigilante, an agent of the government, or old age. This goes for his family and children as well, should he have them. Imagine the respect points a political group or gang member would receive if they brought in the decapitated head of Zimmerman? Or a cousin? Or one of his children? How about one of the jurors that acquitted him?

In the meantime, Zimmerman must spend the rest of his days carrying the weight that he took a life. Most people who die of old age now and in the future will never have to carry that burden.

On top of it all, our government, and our PRESIDENT, became personally involved in a case in which their political agenda had an enormous role to play. That's not the America the founders envisioned. Personally, I think Stalin would swell with pride if he saw how far down the rabbit hole we've fallen toward totalitarianism.

Is Zimmerman entirely innocent? Was Trayvon? No in both those cases. Zimmerman should've followed instructions and stayed in his car. But he wasn't required to do so. He had the right to follow Martin and walk his own sidewalk. His choice. Bad choice. Martin also had choices. Leave the area? Ask Zimmerman for directions home? Attack him? He chose to attack. His choice. Bad choice. If different choices were made, America as a whole wouldn't have any clue who George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin are. One might still be alive, and the other might still have a life with purpose. Only if they had made different choices.

This case revealed a enormous amount of what has gone wrong with America. And maybe the right people can fix it. But that hope grows weaker by the day. Soon it'll be an impossibility; just as impossible for a private citizen to achieve a fair trial after being declared guilty in the court of public opinion.

All in the name of believing their opinion was correct and superior. Such a leftist, progressive trademark isn't it?

[Phil]

Well said Jersey.

I have mixed feelings of this and I am not sure that Zimmerman needed to shoot Teryven Martin I agree with a lot of what you said. They posted younger pictures of Martin for the reason you mentioned. And he had been suspended and or expelled from school on several occasions for fighting, stealing and graffiti and not attending school. He was even suspended at the time of his death he was on suspension.

The involvement of the Obama administration is just sickening to me. I am a Buffalo Bills fan but I still feel OJ Simpson was guilty. But even the Clinton administration stayed clear of that case.

Jersey's QUOTE:
Is Zimmerman entirely innocent? Was Trayvon? No in both those cases. Zimmerman should've followed instructions and stayed in his car. But he wasn't required to do so. He had the right to follow Martin and walk his own sidewalk. His choice. Bad choice. Martin also had choices. Leave the area? Ask Zimmerman for directions home? Attack him? He chose to attack. His choice. Bad choice. If different choices were made, America as a whole wouldn't have any clue who George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin are. One might still be alive, and the other might still have a life with purpose. Only if they had made different choices.

This case revealed a enormous amount of what has gone wrong with America. And maybe the right people can fix it. But that hope grows weaker by the day. Soon it'll be an impossibility; just as impossible for a private citizen to achieve a fair trial after being declared guilty in the court of public opinion.

All in the name of believing their opinion was correct and superior. Such a leftist, progressive trademark isn't it?


Back to me: This sums the whole thing up really well. Where Zimmerman went wrong was he should have stayed put til backup arrived. I feel even if he was right up to this point this flaws his case that he didn't. You're right though I fear some rioting is going to happen. I'm surprised there hasn't been some already. And I agree that Zimmerman's life is ruined either way but then again he made the choice. And again Trayvon Martin did not have a squeaky clean behavioral record neither did Zimmerman from what I am finding out.

[DragonLady]

I agree with Jersey! I'm sick of how everyone fawns over Martin when he was no angel himself. The media makes the news and what right does the government and Obutthead have to step in? This is why media needs to be left out of court cases. Both people were at fault here the way I look at it. Like Kimm said, Zimmerman had this constant urge to be in positions where he had power, and I think he wanted to be in those careers for the wrong reasons. He was told to leave him alone, and though he wasn't breaking any laws, it wasn't smart. At night if you follow someone and they see you they'll probably get scared and who knows how they'll react. We know there was a fight, but I don't know how some teenage boy could take on and beat a grown man bigger than he is. I still wonder what the whole story is though, because we know Zimmerman and his wife lied to cover for themselves already, so I suspect there is more to it. Self defense can be hard to prove, but the choices made that night by both of them lead to an outcome.

[Beangirl]

Many years ago I was out walking in my neighborhood at dusk when I realized I was being followed by a young man. I was terrified . I did not want to go home because he would know where I lived so I went to my neighbors house and they called the police. They found this kid and he said he was just visiting his friends in my neighborhood. Not true as he passed his friends house to watch me walk up my neighbors driveway.He was questioned and released. Now that was shear terror.I would have never confronted him, but I am a woman .

[Phil]

That's where the whole thing gets tricky. The root of it I mean.

In this case Zimmerman was hired as a 'neighborhood watchman.' He was watching and saw Treyven Martin and according to Zimmerman was suspicious. He was told to remain in his vehicle until help arrived. He did not, however he followed Martin. If Martin was up to no good, then someone was following him and he would want to get him off his trail.

If he was not doing anything wrong he probably doesn't know this is a neighborhood watchman and probably fears that he could be the target of a mugging--so hides around the corner and jumps when Zimmerman gets there. We will never know the exact intentions of everybody up to this point.

The whole thing could have been avoided if Zimmerman waited for back up. At that time they would have found out if
A: Martin was on the prowl and prevented him from doing any harm.
B: He was just a kid out for a walk minding his own business once that was determined he would have been allowed to go about his business.

[Classicblast]

Lets open this up again. Zimmeerman back in custody. This time for domestic violence. Perhaps He and Treyvon Martin were both partially in the wrong last year when this happened, but now we have a new situation that will make for Zimmerman not necessarily being the upstanding watchman we hoped.

We hoped?

YES. I hoped that the courts made the right decision. Obviously I wasn't there, nor in court nor hearing all of the evidence of this case and when something does go to court I would hate there to be a wrong verdict. A not guilty verdict I hoped was correct.

Now only a year later Zimmerman is in his second or third bout with the law seems nearly irrefutable that he is not such a good individual. At first I was willing to wait and see since a high profile case with some controversy will undoubtedly cause the media to hassle you some. They'll escalate a speeding ticket to reckless driving and countless other things. Obviously as a former baseball player I am not a big supporter of news media reports or those who make the reports I have been the victim of press that is not true or embellished for a reporter's objective.

So, I don't take all that I hear too much to heart right away nor have I the other two or three times Zimmerman's name was in the news.

This time he is being held for another case of domestic abuse and this time I am believing that he is trouble even if Treyvon Martin was also in the wrong last year.

[Phil]

I believe justice serves most of the time. OJ Simpson was not convicted of murder in the 1994 killings of Nicole simpson and Ron Goldman. But he is serving a jail term for robbery. The conscience goes crazy sometimes when it knows its wrong. That may apply here too. Treyven Martin was by no means a good kid. He was suspended and expelled from schools and had an arrest record.

What his intent was that day we will never know. If Zimmerman followed procedure he would not have fought with Martin or needed to shoot him self defense or otherwise. The court felt that at the exact moment he shot Martin his own life was in danger and they found him not guilty. But Zimmerman himself was not entirely a good guy either and he will now face some consequences of his own.