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Post by angel607 on Mar 20, 2012 19:37:32 GMT -5
i have been reading so many stories and listening to 911 tapes about george zimmermon who gunned down a 17 year old kid named trayvon martin simply for walking down the street. I think it's so sad the police have not arrested this man and Obama needs to step up and do something about this. Zimmermon was a neighborhood watch captain who was allowed to carry a gun. he called the police about a teenager walking down the street with a hoodie on and looked like he was on drugs. turns out the kid was on his cell phone armed with a bag of candy. he ended up being gunned down for the color of his skin. the attacker after calling police chased the kid while he was screaming for his life and then shot. the part that makes me so stinking mad is the attacker is not in jail. they say they are still investigating. I just don't buy this crap. all 911 calls point to the kid being chased down and shot for doing nothing wrong. I think Obama needs to do something about this because this kid and his family and friends deserve justice. the killer needs to be in prision. he was also on the phone with a 16 year old girl during his final moments. he was begging the guy to leave him alone and the guy shot him. I don't know if this is a racist town but it sure sounds like it.
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Post by Classicblast on Mar 21, 2012 1:28:36 GMT -5
That's a horrible happening obviously. That's a tragic thing when someone power hungry gets a job for no other reason but to have power and rights to exert authority.
If he suspected the kid, and was doing the watch job properly he can come up to him and question him. Even ask him to show the contents of his pockets if there's probable cause.
That wasn't the case, obviously, Zimmerman used it as an excuse to kill someone. I am sure this is nothing but a psycho and cold blooded murder. Investigations will determine if there's more here than that I will be following this story.
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Post by Phil on Mar 21, 2012 13:14:04 GMT -5
This whole thing is going to push an objective that is all wrong I am afraid.
ITs going to end up creating an attitude that the gun was the problem. The whack job holding the gun was the problem. I am very sad that a kid was killed here. A boy only 3 years older than my son. Please don't think I don't recognize that point.
But the liberal feeling is not to have guns. However if the neighborhood watchman was licensed to be a watchman he would have a gun regardless of the law. So the laws liberals are looking to push would not have helped in this instant.
The real problem here is either the watchman's stability wasn't properly investigated, or he went crazy after the fact.
If his background reveals warning signs that were ignored then whoever was in change of placing him there should also be accountable. If there was no previous signs at all and he just snapped this really sucks but the book should still be thrown at him.
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Post by Beangirl on Mar 21, 2012 14:21:19 GMT -5
You are right Phil, guns are not the problem . This has racial profiling all over it. This kid had on a dark hoodie therefore making his shooter think he was up to no good. He was African American and the shooter was white.We had something like this in Los Angeles at the same time the Rodney King beating took place. A 16 year old African American girl went into a Korean mini mart and took a bottle of orange juice and concealed it in her sweat shirt. The Korean woman who ran the store saw her and told her to stop. The 16 year old got an attitude and went up to the counter an started beating on the sales lady knocking her to the ground. The girl puts the O.J. on the counter and starts walking out the store. The store clerk gets up from the floor and grabs a 45 caliper pistol and shoots the girl in the back. Killing her. This was all caught on tape. The store clerk was tried for Murder 2 and was given probation. Justice or self defense? Nope..
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Post by Classicblast on Mar 21, 2012 23:19:41 GMT -5
Beangirl I know what you mean that there's no self defense issue here it was a wrongful killing. I think Phil means that the gun wasn't as much the problem as the hands it happened to be in. I suspect too that this neighborhood is so desperate for someone to take the watch position that they most likely did not to a careful background check on the man they hired for the job.
If that's true I think a few others should go down with him.
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Post by angel607 on Mar 22, 2012 0:48:54 GMT -5
i signed the petition to bring the killer to justice. as of now on change.org we are at 970,000 signatures close to a million. also I think the attacker was unstable before the gun was put in his hands. the cops didn't care to hear the witnesses stories. they are claiming self defense. it's so sad because the family is suffering with no closure. I don't know how anyone can sleep at night knowing they could of taken this monster off the streets but didn't care to. so much for protecting. I am preying the killer goes to jail this week. people in new york are marching in his honor. I think there could be lawsuits on the police department ends for covering this up as self defense.
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Post by Jersey on Mar 22, 2012 7:26:16 GMT -5
However this turns out, I have a fairly good feeling that justice will get done from the law enforcement end of things. While there are still only bits and pieces of information coming out about this, it's beginning to seem more and more like Zimmerman killed the young man in cold blood. I have a feeling he'll be arrested soon. That being said, there's a few things I feel need to be brought to light. For one, Zimmerman is not white. He's Hispanic. So anyone in the globosphere characterizing this as a senseless white-on-black hate crime should stop right where they are. If anything, it's a Hispanic-on-black crime. Noticeably, Al Sharpton is involved and pledging justice; however, I doubt he'll remain involved once he sees the suspect is Hispanic. His track record only indicates his involvement on cases of suspected white-on-black violence, and never in Hispanic-on-black or black-on-black. It's very disappointing that so many in the media immediately characterized the suspect as white without knowing the facts. www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/03/22/stand_your_ground_law_at_center_of_fla_shooting/One only needs to see his picture to know its not a white guy. Hispanic or not, what he did was horrifying and I still don't doubt he'll be arrested soon. But what kind of arrest? There are several reports out there about a black militia group that wants to march into Florida and make a "citizens arrest". But after viewing the website of that group, it doesn't lead me to believe they have a peaceful arrest, where the suspect actually remains alive, in mind. My feeling is that they want to lynch Zimmerman, and even if that isn't the initial intention it only takes one person in the arresting party to lose their temper. I can understand the anger at the slow justice system, but it should be allowed to do its job. The most telling item? Even the parents of the slain teen are disagreeing with this group's proposed plan of action. It would seem even they don't even want to see more bloodshed. The article detailing their intention to arrest: www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/black-militia-group-wants-to-arrest-trayvon-martin-shooter.phpTheir radical website. Obvious black supremacy abounds: sites.google.com/site/newblackliberationinstitute/nbli-picturesThe article where his parents disagree: www.businessinsider.com/a-black-militia-group-says-it-plans-to-arrest-the-neighborhood-watchman-who-shot-trayvon-martin-2012-3#ixzz1pfzjuQoJI hope nobody gets me wrong in what I'm trying to say here. What Zimmerman did was deplorable and he should (and hopefully will) be punished should the evidence show he did wrong. But the response to this situation has also been deplorable. The militant group and their proposed lynch-er-arrest? The NAACP proposing the Obama government seize control of the Florida police department? Al Sharpton's immediate involvement and racial tension pot stirring? It's not the right way to handle it. Believe me, there's been enough attention brought on this that the Florida police WILL be doing their jobs I can guarantee that. But the racial tension and immediate characterizations this has brought forth is very troubling to me. In the end, this shouldn't end well for Zimmerman. I just hope the manner in which it ends for him is the morally correct one... And angel, fear not. Obama got involved through his Justice Department, which under Eric Holder has achieved stellar results for racial cases. Look no further than the acquittal of the New Black Panther Party in their voter intimidation case from 2008. |
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Post by Phil on Mar 22, 2012 13:11:11 GMT -5
I would like to see the book thrown at Zimmerman if he did in fact shoot this boy in cold blood. What I don't want to see happen is an angle to make this an anti gun issue. The gun was not the problem the choice of who to place as the neighborhood watchman was the problem. I would not want the focus mistaken. *assuming that the information we have so far is correct. *
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Post by angel607 on Mar 22, 2012 19:38:18 GMT -5
jersey thank you for giving us more facts about the case. I thank god Obama will get involved with this because he is president and his voice will be herd. I have watched cnn today about the case and some more 911 calls. im staying tuned to updates on the case through facebook and the rally's they are having. I have herd some good and bad about Zimmermon. he has helped call in and catch alot of bad guys and he wanted to be a police officer. but what he did he didn't have the athority to gun down a innocent kid. he should of waited for the police to get there. I feel horrible for the parents who lost their son. the public has really got into this case. I herd some kids walked out of school to show their support. I hope a arrest is made maybe this week,
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Post by Beangirl on Mar 23, 2012 11:52:08 GMT -5
Not to ruffle and feather's but Zimmerman being Hispanic means he is white. Hispanic is not a race it is a nationality. They are Caucasians . I live in Los Angeles which is 80% percent Hispanic .
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Post by Phil on Mar 23, 2012 13:00:44 GMT -5
Beangirl, I don't think anybody's feathers should be ruffled by you saying that. In fact, that clarification still means this is possibly a racial hate crime. But its most likely an excuse crime.
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Post by Jersey on Mar 23, 2012 13:07:35 GMT -5
Not to ruffle and feather's but Zimmerman being Hispanic means he is white. Hispanic is not a race it is a nationality. They are Caucasians . I live in Los Angeles which is 80% percent Hispanic . The mainstream media is reporting him as white in the sense of Anglo-Saxon or European descent. And the race baiters, who are attempting to portray this as a hate crime committed by their sworn enemy (said European descendents) are characterizing him as such in order to forward their own extreme, racist, and supremacist agenda. Said Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam leader and Black Supremacist: “I want Black youth to hear this message, because police authorities are the same today as they were during slavery,” he alleges. “In fact, this is how policing began. Police were formed to catch runaway slaves, bring them back to their masters and make examples of them to throw fear into other slaves. It’s the same today.” This type of divisive rhetoric solves nothing. An act of hate cannot be solved or nullified with more hate. It only serves to make things worse and turn opposing sides even more against one another. In the end it's irrelevent what color Zimmerman is. It has become more obvious that he did commit a hate crime. The CNN report isolated a portion of the cell phone call from Zimmerman where he appears to use the racist phrase "f****ng coons". I listened to the audio, and I find it to be quite clear. Hopefully this is the piece of evidence that suggests a racist motivation to kill Martin. Here's the link to the video. www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/03/22/ac-tuchman-trayvon-zimmerman.cnnAgain, I hope nobody gets me wrong or think that I am on Zimmerman's side with all this. I am certainly not, and I sincerely hope he rots in Hell should it prove he killed Martin in cold blood. The issue I have is the vitriolic hatred coming from ALL sides and the false, misleading characterizations from the mainstream media on what "side" or "color" Zimmerman belongs to. Especially those that characterize him as "white" in the sense that he is Anglo-Saxon or European. As for Phil's post, I'm certain it will not take long before gun control advocates roll out the troops. The race-baiters like Sharpton and Farrakhan are the ones in the limelight at the moment. |
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Post by Phil on Mar 23, 2012 13:34:19 GMT -5
That's another factor of Louis Farrakhan and a few others like him end up making a situation so much worse by making every crime a racial crime. This might very well be 1, but it could also be a trigger happy watchman looking for an excuse to kill.
Farrakhan is big on clouding judgment too. This is or could be an opening volley to get the public against police. It might not escalate to that, but putting that out there now lets him have an example for similar law to society issues come up when the person in authority is clearly wrong he then will suggest that police or security organizations are founded on racism.
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Post by angel607 on Mar 24, 2012 1:15:43 GMT -5
Geraldo Rivera went on to say that because Trayvon was wearing a hoodie he was pretty much asking for it. also that the parents were as much to blame because they allowed him to wear that outside. it was raining and the girlfriend that spoke out said he put his hoodie on because some guy was watching him. she herd them talking then Zimmermon pushed him and the phone went dead. moment's later he shot him. I wear my hoodie in the street does that mean I deserve to get gunned down I don't think so. also they did the drug test on the victim not the shooter. I don't look at this as race I just think it's important to know right from wrong. also on youtube if you look up the young turks they also have good info on the case. they were first to call the fbi because the police they had no faith in. there are holes in the attacker's story and he won't get away with this. I forgot if I said this before but he has a record. he hit and groped his ex-fiance while claiming to be the victim. I don't understand why they gave him a gun. now he shoots someone and claims self defense after he chased after the victim. Obama gave a speech on the matter and I think it was a good one. I know he has nothing to do with arresting people but he's president and he has a voice people will listen to. also I wonder since it was a gated community are there any camera's around that got video of that night? and beangirl you won't ruffle anyone's feather's. it's good to have everyone's views on this and learn of new information. they are also thinking maybe the cops knew Zimmermon and that is why they agreed with him on self defense. but you know the truth will come out.
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Post by Beangirl on Mar 24, 2012 9:31:40 GMT -5
Living in Los Angeles I have seen so much racial profiling in my day. Rodney King comes to mind.Yeah he was high and he did try to fight the police but he did not deserve what he got.The story I mentioned before and one where a young black girl was asleep in her car with a gun on her lap. She was stoned and when they woke her up and she went for the gun LAPD shot her 18 times.No need for that.Interesting... When the riots broke out in South Central L.A. Some Koreans who had pretty much taken over a lot businesses in Watt's actually burned down there own shops during the riots to collect the insurance money. Unbelievable.  |
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Post by angel607 on Mar 24, 2012 11:56:55 GMT -5
that's horrible they shot her so many times. I would think they would give her a warning to put down the weapon but 18 times oh my god. it seems like excessive force to me.
i just read Jersey's articles and never knew Zimmermon was hurt from Trayvon. I wonder if the hospital has picture's of his injuries as evidence? I am going to keep reading as more information comes to light.
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Post by Phil on Mar 24, 2012 12:06:27 GMT -5
Really Geraldo? Wearing a hoodie is the grounds to be shot? And he shouldn't have been wearing it outside? I didn't know hooded sweatshirts were indoor items. Unless he means the hoodie had something on it that symbolized a gang or something but still that is a hard connection to make here.
Beangirl's story. How does shooting someone 18 times ever possibly find justification?
Burning down stores for insurance money? I don't really get that either. You're closed down til they investigate but then again the neighborhood is probably desolate for a lengthy time anyway once there
have been riots.
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Post by Beangirl on Mar 25, 2012 12:48:57 GMT -5
In South Central (Watts) L.A. The Koreans had come in an took over a lot of businesses. They came in with a lot of money. The African Americans resented that.When the Korean shop owner got probation for shooting that girl in the back fuel was added to an already flaming fire. Both groups appeared on Oprah together after the riots.I will never forget that show. The Koreans were saying to the Blacks" We are immigrants just like you!" The blacks answered " No we are not alike. You came to America of your own free will. We were brought here!" Nuff said.
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