murderer on the loose

[Kimm]

I dont know a lot about the case other than what has been posted already but I dont see Zimmerman wiggling out of this on any angle. Juries can be stupid but Id say thats not going to happen here and justice will befall him.

[angel607]

the latest I herd is that Zimmermon may walk because of the stand your ground law. their also saying Trayvon attacked him so Zimmermon had to defend himself. Zimmermon didn't go to the hospital until the next day. they say he has been hiding out and crying everyday. also it was Zimmermon's screams on the 911 tape yelling you don't have to do this not Trayvon's. as for the racist comment their saying it was another word meaning term of ederment. I really don't buy that. why would anyone say something nice about a person outside then gun him down. I also don't get if Zimmermon was the neighborhood watch captain shouldn't he know everyone in the gated communites. to me this case has so many holes like why did the cops only take the witness story for like three minutes. I hear some wouldn't even listen. I really hope justice gets served soon.

[Classicblast]

It does seem quite fishy. Obviously there have been several days to seemingly work up a defense. And some explanations that might be an effort to change public opini0on.

If the man attacked Zimmerman, and it escalated to shooting him wouldn't he want to show whatever wounds he had right away?

[Jersey]

I'm finding it very troubling the way in which the mainstream media is covering this story. As far as holes go, there are holes in both sides of the story. For one, nobody seems to be reporting that Zimmerman did indeed have injuries that were clear and apparent, such as bruises and cuts on his face and a large laceration on the back of his head. Not only this, an eyewitness has come forward describing it as such.

I'll say this much. If Zimmerman had no other choice but to act in self-defense, meaning his life was in serious jeapardy should he not, he had every right to protect himself. That being said, his choice of action in following Martin is what is most questionable to me.

I'm purposefully not choosing sides for a reason. I will not say whether or not Zimmerman is guilty or innocent because I wasn't there when it happened. I simply don't know all the facts. All I do know is what the media is not reporting, such as Zimmerman's injuries and the fact that he WAS handcuffed and brought into police headquarters for a five hour questioning. I think that's important. Not every questioning session results in arrest, and it shows the police didn't simply allow Zimmerman to walk back into his house. That's what most of liberal America is saying, and I can't say that it's the truth.

This much is the truth. No matter what the outcome of all this will be, Zimmerman will forever be guilty in the public eye. I can see very similar results to the Caylee Anthony murder trial. In that case the prosecution did a horrifying job presenting the evidence that, to me, pretty clearly showed Casey Anthony's involvement. She was acquitted and found not guilty right? Wrong. Although she was not convicted, she remains forever convicted in the public eye and will likely spend the rest of her life in hiding. All because there are hundreds of people out there that would take the law or opinions on the law into their own hands and possibly kill her. I personally feel that Casey had something to do with Caylee's murder, and that there was a miscarriage of justice. I could very well feel the same way after the Zimmerman-Martin case. But the difference between me and many people is that if Casey is guilty, she won't escape punishment when she goes to meet her maker. God will sort her out if she did it. However, too many other people feel differently.

I see the same results happening with Zimmerman should he also be acquitted by a jury of his peers. It's very clear to me that no matter what happens, he will always be guilty of shooting Martin in cold blood in the public eye. Any kind of evidence saying that may not be the case doesn't seem to matter that much. This is why the court system exists, but these days the media seems to have become just as powerful in deciding who is guilty and who isn't. And all it takes is one single pissed off vigilante to mete out the punishment.

And with the Black Panthers offering $10,000 for his head and celebrities like Spike Lee tweeting his home address, Al and Jesse on the arms of Martin's mother, and thousands walking the streets and posting online crying out for a violent response, it has become clear that Zimmerman will either live in hiding forever should he be acquitted or die at the hands of someone who finds him and takes him out. Either for monetary reward, public praise, or their own self-satisfaction. All of which are just as wrong.

I end with this. Why bother even putting Zimmerman on trial if he's already considered guilty in the public eye? I don't see the public opinion changing. So what's the point?

[Jersey]

I double post for a reason. Phil, you were right. The liberals are hijacking the Zimmerman case in order to forward their own radical agenda, which has always been the repealment or reforming of the Second Amendment, our blessed right to keep and bear arms.

They're going after the self defense laws. Should these get repealed, liberals are yet another step closer to taking the firearms away from all law-abiding citizens and leaving them in the hands of police and military. Quite the dangerous situation should that happen.

Here's the article. Although some here may vehemently disagree with the resource it comes from, I simply ask you try it on for size. These are the only resources in online media that are giving ALL the information about what's really happening. It isn't selective reporting like what we see in the mainstream media.


www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/03/26/constitution/second-amendment-threat-zimmerman-case/

I'm also considering moving this topic to the Politics/Social issues section since that is what it's rapidly turning into as people piggyback on the Zimmerman affair for their own political gain. But I won't move it unless everyone agrees, so until that happens I'll leave it here.

[Phil]

I did not know about the 5 hour questioning until today either. So they did place him in custody and questioned him. If they released him that means they did not have enough evidence that he only killed in cold blood to hold him.

There's where the law is ticklish. My comment here does not say that Zimmerman was not in the wrong, only that in order to be let go the police did not have enough evidence at the time of the questioning to hold him any longer.

I agree with Classic though that he should have sought medical attention had he been attacked.

I still want to know more about this case and I really hope they don't botch it however it needs to end up that they do come to the right conclusion.

[Jersey]

Phil, they've officially made it a gun law issue. Read my other post (the one prior to yours on this page) that I put up earlier when you get the chance.

As another update, the Black Panthers upgraded their reward for Zimmerman's "capture" from $10,000 to one million. And I say "capture" with the utmost sarcasm. It's very clear they want this man killed, guilty or innocent.

One million dollars bounty on a private citizen. And as of yet, not one government official has stepped in and put a stop to this. I have to say that at this point I no longer recognize my country. The America in which I grew up and understand the history of would have never allowed a million dollar bounty from a political, racist organization to be placed on the head of a private citizen. I'm simply shocked, and I have no other words left to say anything about it.

If America isn't dead, this bounty is a good indicator that it's close. To describe this obvious lynching reward as shameful wouldn't even come close to describing how saddened I am over the current state of affairs.

One other poster on a different site describes this Zimmerman coverage as a "media lynching". I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Phil]

That's where the media makes a problem worse. I am not saying that proper justice is not in order for George Zimmerman. But the right conclusion has to come about.

I was always taught that 2 wrongs do not make a right. So placing bounties on someone is also a racial thing. A bounty to placed by the leader of the Black Panthers to bring Zimmerman to him dead or alive? Then to do what? Kill him or torture him or hold him hostage for a ransom?

Meaning that this is what happens if you kill 1 of ours?

NO! This is for the law to determine. Not a gang of vigilante looking for their own objective.

This case must have justice served, not vengeance.

[angel607]

i must say with the black panthers two wrong's don't make a right. you can't just kill someone because you think they did it. you have to let the justice system do it. I have herd so much stuff about this case like Zimmerman's father used to be a judge and Zimmerman had 3 crimes they closed the book on including assualting his girlfriend and resisiting arrest with a police officer. also he called 911 49 times in a year but I don't know how many people he caught. also his lawyer walked out on some interview and when asked about a racial slur meaning coon his lawyer said it was goon which he was told by his high school daughter it's a term of endearment. I hear so much but we all need to seperate fact from fiction. like exactly who is Zimmerman and is it true he walked on his crimes in the past? if he was a neighborhood watch captain shouldn't he know everyone in the area? why does he need a gun for that and when 911 told him don't follow why did he chase after Trayvon? sad thing I herd is Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone with him was the last person Trayvon talked to. well she is in the hospital for a breakdown. I can't begin to know what she was going through that her boyfriend was gunned down. maybe there was a camera somewhere the attack was on video so police will know what happened. I guess time well tell and hopefully we find out soon. Trayvon's friends and family need closure. I just wish Zimmerman would of waited for police to arrive on scene and not chase after him.

[Jersey]

Zimmerman's father came out for an interview either yesterday or early today (I'm not sure which) in defense of his son. While this doesn't surprise me, I am interested in the injuries he describes such as George suffering a broken nose and the laceration to the back of his head. He claimed the Martin beat his son for over a minute, and that Zimmerman followed him in the first place in order to give police an address so they could find him and probably ask him what he was up to. This could be the reason, but it might not. We don't know. All I can really say at this point is that innocent until proven guilty applies to Zimmerman as well as anyone else that ever committed a crime in this nation. Should he be found guilty of murder, may he pay for it.

It would seem that any photographic evidence of these injuries would greatly help Zimmerman from a legal perspective (though it wont do much in the court of public opinion). If pictures were taken, show them! They may even be the reason why he was released after his initial arrest.

In other news, Spike Lee had to backpedal and apologize to the people whose address he posted on his twitter. Turns out he got it wrong; a Zimmerman had at one point lived there but it wasn't George Zimmerman. It's an elderly couple in their 70s. If Lee had to do this, he had to do so for the purpose of "calling off the attack dogs". The news isn't expressly saying what happened to these people, but I believe they probably came under attack in some way by angry vigilantes seeking to kill Zimmerman. I would REALLY like to know what happened to these poor people because of Spike Lee and his twitter post, which was a call for violence.

I hope that couple sues the pants off Spike Lee for what he did. The attacks on that couple are a sign that I'm not off base when I say that the race baiters are seeking a violent end for Zimmerman, guilty or not.

Still no word on anyone putting a stop to the Black Panthers and their million dollar offer for Zimmerman's head on a pike.

[Phil]

That's what I mean by busy bodies making things 1,000 times worse.

Like the black panthers putting up a bounty among others looking up Zimmerman, George in phone books and protesting their house. It is a common name. And that is not the approach for this.

[angel607]

i just saw a six minute video today that was more clear on the angles and I would like to know where these injuries are to because it would help his claim that he was attacked. I did hear something about spike lee on twitter but didn't know what. even if I thought someone may or may have not killed someone I wouldn't give the address to people go over and do bad things. the media can't rely on he said she said we need to get down to the facts. if he is guilty then he needs to pay. but if it was self defense I would say Zimmerman made a careless mistake to go after him and the world needs to go back to normal. we don't want race wars breaking out over this or someone to get hurt. from what I have herd from the witnesses some have not been contacted on what they saw for a week and I thought every witness would be important for the information to piece together.

[Beangirl]

Those poor people were Elderly and had a son named Zimmerman.The were forced to move out of there home. Spike Lee is paying all their costs for moving out for his errors. They had people at there home and death threats.

[Jersey]

Those people could have been killed! They were forced to move out of their home after Spike Lee tweeted their home address because of the overwhelming amount of hate mail, phone calls, and death threats they were receiving as a result of Lee's actions. If they had in fact died at the hands of Spike Lee's followers it does not go without saying that Lee would have been directly responsible for their deaths.

If it was me living in that house, I would be making sure that Spike Lee wouldn't have a penny to his name after I was through with him. He better fall on his knees and thank God that this elderly couple were nice enough to reconcile and accept his hush money. Because I wouldn't even be giving him the time of day.

Roseanne Barr, presidential candidate for the Green Party (baaaaaarf) is also threatening to do the same as Lee. Wonderful. As if Lee wasn't doing enough harm, Barr is threatening to do the same. Seems Hollywood has also convicted Zimmerman.

It would seem my purpose in this topic is to expose the outrageous behavior from the left that has flared up in response to the Zimmerman case. Because the media that should be exposing it are part of the groups perpetuating all this hate.

A rap song has come out called "All Black in My Hoodie" by Zoeja Jean in honor of Treyvon Martin. Aww, that's nice right? Wrong. Here are segments of the lyrics.

I apologize for the language. But vile hate like this must be shown in order for a fuller understanding.

All black in my hoodie
All black in my hoodie
Strapped up with them AKs
F–k protesters
Let’s start a riot
Fight, let’s start a riot

Burn the house
And everybody in it
I don’t give a f–k about the racist ass children

They did us wrong in Haiti
They did us wrong in Africa
Black folks let’s keep it real
These pussy crackers don’t love us

If we don’t do s–t
And lynch that cracker
Six months later
They gonna kill another brother

...

Wow. I've never seen this kind of hate become so popular and trendy in such a short amount of time. I specifically hilighted that one lyric for a reason. It's stupid to assume the subject of that particular line is anybody other than George Zimmerman. I said before in this topic that the Black Panthers and other militant groups want this man killed with no right to a fair trial. A lynching. Prior to this rap song coming out they only implied it, such as the Black Panthers saying "wanted dead or alive". But because nothing is being done to stop this, they are now coming right out and saying this.

It's utter insanity! That song is a blatant call for violence!

Obama had his chance to quell this and advocate for cooler heads prevailing, but he instead chose to fan the flames of this hatred by saying Treyvon Martin looked like he could have been his own son. If I were president, this is what I would say on this if I even commented at all:

"While what happened in this particular case is a terrible tragedy, I must insist that cooler heads prevail in the public response. It is never a good thing to turn towards hate as a solution. Justice will prevail, and everyone involved from my administration and those involved from the Florida police are doing everything they can to make sure that justice is done for all who may be innocent in this case. Good investigations take time. Allow the court system to do its job, and remain vigilant in the meantime."

Obama chose to make it worse by siding with all of these people who believe Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murderer. Not one arrest has been made for all these threats and acts of violence, including the twitter account named "killzimmerman" with a picture of Zimmerman's face in a big set of crosshairs.

Since nothing is being done to stop the hate, somebody at some point is going to get killed. Where has the decency gone in this country?!?!?

[angel607]

what Spike Lee did was horrible. these celebrities should know better. everyone wants to see justice done but many are saying if this was a black on white case the person would be in jail. I don't buy that. as of now there are two people saying it was Trayvon on the 911 tape. sooner are later they will get through to the bottom of this case. I know it stinks taking this long but let's wait and see what the verdict is. I think I herd April 10th. I think it's really sad what the parents are going through and Trayvon's girlfriend. she was the last person he talked to during that attack. they need to go over every witnesses story and get to the bottom of this matter. lies are going to come out justice will be done. but to say this would never happen if Trayvon was white is simply not true. Casey Anthony they thought she had something to do with her daughter's killing but could not prove it. we do have hate crimes on white people you may not hear about it as much but we do. we don't want violence breaking out in the streets and people getting hurt over this or someone who simply looks like Zimmerman to get jumped. many crimes go unsolved but everyone moves on with their life. let's just wait and see for this all to come out. I know people lie when they are really scared for their life. I have herd of innocent people plead guilty because police took their questioning on the person to far and wouldn't stop. people who want to kill Zimmerman they need to be stopped. you can't just take the life of another because of what you think they may have or may not have done.

[Phil]

That's the next thing. We have to have some faith in our justice system.

That's not to say it doesn't fail us sometimes. Sometimes the law as its written doesn't exactly result in fair justice but that's all we can do or there's anarchy.

Like Angel607 said if a guy happens to resemble George Zimmerman, or his name happens to be that, *by the way if you pick up a phone book you will find lots of George Zimmermans* its a common combination.

Groups are going to put a bounty on him to make an example. I think we really have to let the law settle this. And try to have faith in the law and justice system that is in place.

Bounties and rewards placed by people like the Black Panthers will only get innocent people injured and or killed.

[Jersey]

ABC news had to launch an internal investigation because the tape of Zimmerman being led into the police station after he was placed in handcuffs and brought there was apparently doctored. In the beginning, Zimmerman was apparently unharmed and displayed no injury, to which the media immediately screeched was proof he was lying and that he was a guilty murderer. After some video savvy people ran the tape through some cleanup processes, they discovered a coverup patch had been used by someone with ABC to cover the long laceration on the back of Zimmerman's head. Could it be possible that the news media wants this man killed as well? They at least want to see him made an example of.

The news media has embarassed itself and has had to back off the reporting in recent days. Selective reporting disgusts me. What about the young black males that set the white teenager on fire and nearly killed him about a month ago, while hurling racial slurs at him while he burned? An obvious hate crime right? Up until now, I sincerely doubt anyone here has heard that story because of selective reporting. Here's a link to it. The case remains unsolved, but once again all the facts are yet to come out.

All that has to be seen is the isolated and hard to find outlet I had to go to in order to retrieve this. It says it all. As for it being national news, that's pure BS. It's being under-reported.

www.ksla.com/story/17260926/mother-of-teen-who-claims-set-on-fire-says-were-being-brushed-off

In the end the judicial system needs time to do its job. And if Zimmerman is killed before he can stand trial, there are going to be a LOT of people directly responsible for it because of their rhetoric and rewards.

I'm glad you've leveled out angel. The title of this topic when it was started more than likely resulted in what was being said about Zimmerman from the beginning, but I'm now glad you're now saying that Zimmerman has a right to a fair trial and even though he may be convicted and guilty in the public eye, he still must be declared guilty in a court of law. He may still very well be found guilty. But there is also a possibility he could be innocent.

And guilty or innocent is NOT to be determined by the media!

[Phil]

I do think the media always looks for a story and tends to make everything worse. If they don't have all the info they tend to add lib and that's when it causes a ton of problems.