Libya's Gaddafi

[Demona]

I think I'll start a new topic for it to continue from the Egypt discussion as they are completely seperate things.

Yeah, so we all know the chaos happening over there and I'm sure we all agree that Gaddafi killing his own people is out of order. He's been said to have mental health issues, and his behavior was unpredictable over the years. One rumor is that he's a drug addict. I remember once reading of him slapping an aide when he mistakenly lead him to the wrong lecture hall.

As far as dictators go, he wasn't the worst until now, when his true nature is really coming out. On Libyan TV he made speeches claiming the dissidents were drugged and serving the devil, and that Al Qaeda put them up to it. It's so bad even his cousin and former government officials left the country and denounced him.

Here's the current article about the situation. Let's just cross our fingers that it ends in favor of the Libyans, you can't blame them for feeling the way they do.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110224/ap_on_re_af/af_libya

[Classicblast]

Qaddafi has always been a radical. The United States came close to going to war with him a couple times in the 80s.

[dinin]

he is someone that I wish to see dissapear as soon as possible, its unbelivable killing your own people like that.

the guy is at the very least already guilty of crimes agains't humanity.

[Demona]

Feb 25, 2011 1:08:46 GMT -5 Classicblast said:

Qaddafi has always been a radical. The United States came close to going to war with him a couple times in the 80s.

The most that can be said is at least he wasn't an islamist, he was afraid of them too apparently. Yes we came close to a war in Libya in the 80's. He ran his mouth threatening us so much Reagan had enough of it and bombed him. Before that he was trying to claim the Gulf of Sidra as Libyan territory and called it the "Line of Death." He loves being a troublemaker, though he behaved himself for a while during the 90's and 200's. It obviously didn't last.

For someone who himself took over in a revolution against a corrupt government, he certainly managed to turn into exactly that. His kids are proof of it, behaving like spoiled brats and animals. Look up what his son did in Switzerland, and since they kicked he idiot out, he began threatening them and called Switzerland a "World Mafia." Had he not lost his way over the years, maybe he'd be remembered in a more positive light.

The last I heard was that the protesters burned down one of his houeses, a bank account was closed, and sanctions are back on.

[dinin]

i heared that obama was ready to do ( whatever it takes ) to get him out of power. I must say I really like this president.

[Demona]

Feb 26, 2011 15:14:40 GMT -5 dinin said:

i heared that obama was ready to do ( whatever it takes ) to get him out of power. I must say I really like this president.

You'll probably be the only person on this board to say that, lol! I know he doesn't approve of what Gaddafi is doing, and has said so, but as far as doing more about it, we'll just have to wait and see. They need help before the sh!t really hits the fan. I just don't know if going there is a good idea. Supplying protesters with weapons might work. Also I don't see why nobody posed as a supporter of his to get close while he makes a speech and tried to shoot him.

[Jason O'Lewa]

Feb 26, 2011 15:14:40 GMT -5 dinin said:

i heared that obama was ready to do ( whatever it takes ) to get him out of power. I must say I really like this president.

i could see somebody from canada saying that because obama is a good talker
he probably is oin the right side of this dispute though

its just that obama talks the walk but doesnt really walk the talk.

thats not hear or there for this discussion though the important thing is the american president approves of the removal of a bad dictator

all I wonder is why people didnt aprove of bush removing hussein when hussein didnt live up to the terms of the surrender of a previous war and amerca had been terrorized

if not by iraq I get the point there but saddam hussein was known to be a terrorist and enemy
he was more damaging to the us historically that Qaddafi but obama has more approval for saying he needs to go than bush did for saying that about hussein

have the anti terrorist people of the world finally learned that all terrorists must be removed

[Jason O'Lewa]

didin
i wasnt arguing with you by that I was just saying that as an observasion about aproval the over all opinion as it seems to be
i dont want you to think I am acusing you of saying more than you really did say

btw I am jason. a very opinionated 8th grader

[dinin]

hi jason! I won't get into the debate about whatever obama walks the talk or not, he still was potentially 6 more years as president to show what he's made of. but so far I think he has done a good job for many reasons, healthcare and making education a priority being two of them. on the ideological board I am more liberal then concervative.

as for actions well he had begun with sanctions that will be repeated through out the world.

www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/25/obama.libya.sanctions/index.html

freezing us all US assets, bank accounts, traveling rights for kdhafi and his family. they are gonna isolate him, and then move in for the kill.

if the protesters don't get to him first.

[dinin]

and here is more : www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/26/libya-protests-obama-gaddafi-leave-now_n_828712.html

The U.S. held back, but its tone shifted sharply Friday after Americans in Libya were evacuated to safety by ferry and a chartered airplane.

The administration upped its pressure a day after it froze all Libyan assets in the U.S. that belong to Gadhafi, his government and four of his children. The U.S. also closed its embassy in Libya and suspended the limited defense trade between the countries.

Clinton announced further sanctions Saturday, revoking visas for senior Libyan officials and their immediate family members. She said applications from these people for travel to the United States would be rejected.

Canada and france have also announced similar sanctions.

Ratcheting up the pressure, President Barack Obama on Saturday said Moammar Gadhafi has lost his legitimacy to rule and urged the Libyan leader to leave power immediately.

[Phil]

I think it's high time Qaddafi was removed. He's been quiet ever since Reagan kicked his ass in 1985 or 86 but he's always been somewhat of a menace to the democratized world and his removal is probably overdue. Although he's older his ambitions might not be as dangerous as they may have been 20 or 25 years ago.

These dictators need to step aside to allow their countries to make proper progress. That's why most offices have term limitations to prevent anybody from becoming a dictator or becoming too comfortable in office to the point where the people don't consider the election they just blindly vote for the incumbent. That can also happen it does all the time. Some offices have no term limits. US congress Senators. Some states have limits for the governor but not all.

I guess term limits have pros and cons. You hate to lose the people you like but you can't wait to get rid of the others. It works both ways and I see both sides of that debate.

On a side mention, dinin, I see my son has introduced himself in an elaborate way lol.

[Demona]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L1hWPGVcB0&feature=topvideos

A video of what's inside a house Gaddafi lived in. It's funny to see the boy in the bathtub checking things out. Doesn't he know the leader sat in that? Gross! Looks like it's become a playground the way they're exploring it. Check out the bunker, it's crazy how they have to crawl through narrow spaces to go inside. There's even a ladder to exit out the other side. It's crazy!

[dinin]

do you think he will end the same way as sadam hussein?

[Demona]

Mar 1, 2011 19:50:48 GMT -5 dinin said:

do you think he will end the same way as sadam hussein?

Who knows. He wasn't as bad as that piece of crap, but he's definately not nice either. If the rebels have their way it's possible. They hate him with a passion it seems. We'll just have to wait and see. If he's caught I wonder if there'll be a trial?

[Demona]

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_af/af_libya

It looks like the Gaddafi supporters were able to regain a couple cities, that's not good. There was a link where you can follow it on Twitter, but I think you have to be a member.

[Classicblast]

Mar 1, 2011 19:50:48 GMT -5 dinin said:

do you think he will end the same way as sadam hussein?

If that means will they have to kill him to get him out of there? I do think so. He's been in power since he was 27 years old. Longer than me or most of the board members have been alive.

[Demona]

Mar 2, 2011 0:20:26 GMT -5 Classicblast said:

Mar 1, 2011 19:50:48 GMT -5 dinin said:

do you think he will end the same way as sadam hussein?

If that means will they have to kill him to get him out of there? I do think so. He's been in power since he was 27 years old. Longer than me or most of the board members have been alive.

I just don't see why he hasn't been shot yet, making his public appearances for his supporters. He's been standing on rooftops above crowds!

[Phil]

It does almost seem like he's daring his enemies to take a shot at him. Or maybe he believes it just wont happen.