Libya's Gaddafi

[dinin]

Mar 2, 2011 13:38:54 GMT -5 Phil said:

It does almost seem like he's daring his enemies to take a shot at him. Or maybe he believes it just wont happen.

he is crasy. it seems the arab league don't want an intervention and neither do the russians. the russians we don't really care about except for their veto at security concil. but the arab league we want to make a good impression on so it will save us trouble later.

if the arab moderates are on our side the extremists will be isolated. for that to happen we must be cautious as if we were stepping on a diplomatic landmine.

still they are readying the fleet for an intervention and I think its the right thing to do.

im proud at least our gouverments ( Canada and the USA ) won't stand by and let this slaughter happen without doing anything.

but I am also well aware that caution is needed, great caution.

[Phil]

Some of those extremest figure its ok to be made a martyr too. I don't get it. He might also figure he'd rather be killed than removed and alive to watch that happen too.

[dinin]

Mar 3, 2011 16:03:28 GMT -5 Phil said:

Some of those extremest figure its ok to be made a martyr too. I don't get it. He might also figure he'd rather be killed than removed and alive to watch that happen too.

yeah, some people say he got so ritch with oil, that he would rather die then lose it all.

[Blastgirl]

I just hope things in that part of the World will settle down I don't want more Wars and outbursts.

[dinin]

Mar 4, 2011 3:49:43 GMT -5 Blastgirl said:

I just hope things in that part of the World will settle down I don't want more Wars and outbursts.

im afraid there is still alot more to come, and that what we are witnessing is just the beggining of what could be a third world revolution.

beacose after ghadaffi has been remouved, people all over the world will know it is possible to beat even the hardest dictator.

there is still yémen, oman, saudi arabia, ( yep expect oil prices to rise, if you invest you might make some money out of all this. )

palestinia, north korea, Iran, birmania, just to name those, the worst, it wouln't surprise me if one erupts in venesuella the way chavez has been acting lateley. ( closer to a dictator he wants to imitate his idol fidel castro )

personnaly, I think social-democracy is Good, but communism is a total and complete failiure. the ghost of a past I wound rather see gone for good.

[Classicblast]

If they do shoot him though, it stands a good chance of bringing out the radicals. Obviously Gaddafi is bad for the world but I for one would hate to see a tragic civil war happen on account of this.

[Classicblast]

For good or for bad they got him.


Yes I am rejuvenating this old topic because its relevant to today's news.

[Phil]

Well I say as I've always believed after September 11, 2001 all known terrorists became fair game. He wasn't involved in 9/11 but he was definitely a terror supporter and a trouble maker in world affairs so good riddance.

Where these guys are concerned I would not wish them to be assassinated but I don't feel too badly if they are.

[Jersey]

I'm happy he's dead. The world certainly will be better off with him burning in the fires of Hell.

However, I cannot help but have my attention turned towards Libya itself. My concern lies with what will crop up to replace him? It happened with Egypt, where the so-called Arab Spring replaced dictator Hosni Mubarak, a pretty bad guy, with a new anti-American and anti-Israel Muslim Brotherhood derived Islamic Fundamentalist State, from which we hear continuous sub-level chanting encouraging the destruction of both. I once dreamed of traveling to Egypt to view the fantastic artifacts of incredible archaeological fame.

That dream is gone now. For fear of my own safety. Because I am a Catholic American.

I have a feeling the chants of "Allahu Akbar" today could very well transform into "Destory the Great Satan (the U.S.)" and Israel alongside it. The proof will be in which groups start throwing money at the fledging Islamic government in Libya. Iran should be watched very closely. They bolstered their radical ranks by adding Egypt to the Islamofascist states. They could very well be attempting to add Libya too.

Al Qaeda operatives were and are among the rebel fighters that collapsed the regime. While I do feel that the death of Qadaffi and the quashing of his regime was rightous, I cannot feel that it will give rise to something better. I don't see a Democratic Republic being an option on the table for the rebels.

[Classicblast]

I think the world for the most part is better off without him having an input or leadership of a country. If that means dead that's where we are right now.

Obviously we all need to be aware of the alternatives though. That being possible ramifications brought by those who feel they should avenge his death. They can do damage not enough to overtake the democratized world but they can injure and kill some making us aware they are among us.

[Jersey]

And here we are, three days later. The latest? Sharia Law will be the defining line of all law in Libya.

abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=14797132

The penalty for theft
In accordance with the Qur'an and several hadith, theft is punished by imprisonment or amputation of hands or feet, depending on the number of times it was committed and depending on the item of theft.

The penalty for adultery
In accordance with hadith, stoning to death is the penalty for married men and women who commit adultery. For unmarried men and women, the punishment prescribed in the Qur'an and hadith is 100 lashes.

Other laws
Dancing and other forms of "fun" entertainment are forbidden.
Music is sometimes banned in Sharia governments, notably by Islamist groups in Somalia and Afghanistan.

I'll also add that women will be relegated to wearing burqas. Men will be afforded multiple wives and beatings upon said wives will be looked upon favorably.

Also, if you're Catholic (or any other religion) you will be forced to convert to Islam or face immediate execution.

Bottom line? Lybia is remaining backwards, and possibly regressing further in that direction.

Libya will be no different than before. And since Al Qaeda, Hamas, and other terrorist organizations strictly adhere to Sharia Law, expect Libya to now harbor and fund new and old terrorist organizations whose only goal is to destroy the "infidels".

[Jason O'Lewa]

i just dont like how some people see things
i understand there has to be rules. I know that there are some things I am not supposed to do like have my phone on during school. It might get taken away if I use it at the wrong time maybe my parents called. I cant imagine a rule where if you use your phone in math they break your fingers so you cant text.

on another hand some country with rigid rules detur crime but the law has to at least be wrong.

meaning if you are going to get your arm broke at least be the one who actually robbed the bank. the rest of us realize you rob a bank you get your arm broke and the seconde time they tattoo robber on your neck.

but not giving freedom of religeion is so wrong
how can yhou force someone to beleive like you? you cant
you can ask me a question and if I think yhoure going to kill me if I say the wrong thing I can tell you what you want to hear but you cant force me to actually beleaive that.

there is no logic in that
if its a country based on Islam they can make it so you have to be Islam to run for office its not a freee sodiety like we are used to us not Islams just know we cant be in their verseon of a congress but we know that all along so fine
not become a mosleam or be shot.

my dad has been humming Gaddafi is dead for the last few days lol

[Jersey]

Oct 23, 2011 15:20:52 GMT -5 Jason O'Lewa said:

but not giving freedom of religeion is so wrong
how can yhou force someone to beleive like you? you cant
you can ask me a question and if I think yhoure going to kill me if I say the wrong thing I can tell you what you want to hear but you cant force me to actually beleaive that.

there is no logic in that

You are a very intelligent and worldly young man Jason. Yes, there is absolutely no logic in forcing others to believe in Islam. People should have the freedom to believe in what they prefer, and luckily in the United States you can. In Catholicism, we are taught to help (and not execute) people who do not believe. If they choose not to, we are taught to leave them be. They settle their issues with God the day they die and go to meet Him. The very opposite is true in Islamic Laws, especially Sharia, where their holy book tells them that "infidels" (non-believers in Islam) must either convert or die. Pretty barbaric isn't it?

Phil, you should be quite proud of your son. He's three times smarter than all the Wall Street protestors combined.

[Beangirl]

Oct 23, 2011 17:14:53 GMT -5 Jersey said:

Oct 23, 2011 15:20:52 GMT -5 Jason O'Lewa said:

but not giving freedom of religeion is so wrong
how can yhou force someone to beleive like you? you cant
you can ask me a question and if I think yhoure going to kill me if I say the wrong thing I can tell you what you want to hear but you cant force me to actually beleaive that.

there is no logic in that

You are a very intelligent and worldly young man Jason. Yes, there is absolutely no logic in forcing others to believe in Islam. People should have the freedom to believe in what they prefer, and luckily in the United States you can. In Catholicism, we are taught to help (and not execute) people who do not believe. If they choose not to, we are taught to leave them be. They settle their issues with God the day they die and go to meet Him. The very opposite is true in Islamic Laws, especially Sharia, where their holy book tells them that "infidels" (non-believers in Islam) must either convert or die. Pretty barbaric isn't it?

Phil, you should be quite proud of your son. He's three times smarter than all the Wall Street protestors combined.

I agree. ;D I work with three Egyptians who are Muslim and lived in Lybia for 14 years under Gadafi.They are so happy now.It was his cousin who bombed the airplane over Locker be Scotland.

[Phil]

Oct 23, 2011 17:14:53 GMT -5 Jersey said:

Phil, you should be quite proud of your son. He's three times smarter than all the Wall Street protestors combined.

Thank you, and I am.

I don't know how to reply to the rest of the last couple posts without echoing what has already been said but something has to happen to change your feelings you can't change your beliefs and become Islamic if that's not how you feel.

Sometimes people change their religious beliefs after study or they have a life changing experience but not because they're told to believe that way you can't turn it on like a switch.

[Demona]

My 2 cents...I can understand there being a sense of relief over the fact a bad dictator has no chance of returning. Libya is free from him, but now what? I have a bad feeling the new may be worse than the old now. They call themselves moderate, but Islamist is still what it is, and doesn't mix with this so-called democracy they want. The way he died I found disturbing. What's considered a war crime can go both ways you know. A corpse laying in a freezer while people laugh and pose for pictures next to it I think is disrespectful, no matter who it is. Him being buried in an unmarked grave isn't what I call a punishment because even if some make a shrine of it, others would ruin it. Plus, he was born in the desert. His sons however, I think were worse than he was and I hope they can be found. We'll just have to wait and see what happens next, but I think it would be smart to keep the new Libya at arms length.

[Classicblast]

I do see where Demona is coming from. The old saying sometimes its "better the devil that you know." I also can say that this devil has done enough damage its time to get rid of him.

Again I see it both ways on this. But I think when its all said and done I am glad to be rid of Gaddafi.

[Demona]

Oct 27, 2011 0:59:16 GMT -5 Classicblast said:

I do see where Demona is coming from. The old saying sometimes its "better the devil that you know." I also can say that this devil has done enough damage its time to get rid of him.

Again I see it both ways on this. But I think when its all said and done I am glad to be rid of Gaddafi.

Right, and I think this will just be an endless cycle of similar revolutions not just in Libya, but it's neighbors because they just don't get it! It's time to modernize, not keep people in fear with these backwards laws, which doesn't make the country "free" if that's the way it's run no matter if the new leaders are elected or if there's a 42 year dictator.