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[Blastgirl]

You're still jumping the gun at least a little bit, Skier1.

You're pretty sure the school would have made that clear but that's not a definite. And you're also assuming that Mahnarch is saying that since his views are conservative everybody else is Liberal and there's room for something in the middle. There are moderates.

[Mahnarch]

A teacher once freaked out about a student who had a CHARM of a gun on his back pack zipper handle.
That's extreme liberalism, there.

It's like screaming for your life when you see a cop because he has a gun on his belt.

Or, anyone who has a gun on his belt.
As long as it's not in his hand and pointed at you, it should be O.K.

I support the 2nd ammendment to the teeth.
Every U.S. citizen should be able to own and carry arms.
Everyone.

They should hand them out with birth certificates and teach the kids when they're young.

If students could carry in schools, Virginia Tech would have lasted about 3 seconds.

Kid walks in, pulls the trigger once.....BAAMMM! He's down!
Dropped by the prom queen. End of story and several kids would still be alive today.

Columbine, same thing.
Kids walk in with shotguns. One round and BAAAAMMM! They're down.
End of news report.

A knife and a gun are tools. Pool cues, recently sharpened pencils and beers bottles are potential weapons.
You don't arrest someone for having a 15mm wrench in their glove box.

[skier1]

Knowing the average intelligence of humanity, and especially with the reckless and usually on-the-spot nature of high school, arming everyone with guns is like handing a gun to a robber and expecting him to keep it locked up safely at home and never use it. The fact is, high schoolers are emotionally unstable and petty, and more than willing to take vengeance on another person for the most absurd things.

But let's assume that society agreed with you, and put this in place. There happens to be a school near here that is like that. Most of the kids own weapons, and a fair portion were bringing them to school, until the school cracked down on it. Was the school safe? were school shootings thwarted after the first victim? No. On the contrary, there have been dozens of drive-by shootings there in the past couple years, numerous students have died, and a survivor mentality takes over where each student has to fend for himself. And this isn't from inexperience with guns. Colorado is more than happy behind the trigger, as almost everyone I know owns a gun. That doesn't stop these shootings from happening. We've had more school shootings than any other state I can think of. If you find evidence pointing to another state, the fact still stands that we have quite a few shootings for a state with guns so readily integrated into life.

[Mahnarch]

Hmm, maybe I should have included an "over 18" line in there, but most kids who are 'properly' trained in firearm use are safe and level headed.

I'm under the belief that, if criminals know for a fact that someone is unarmed they will be more confident toward mugging them and/or break into their home.
The thought of that 'nice looking older couple both carrying' will be a deterrent.

See, the government keeps cracking down on gun control, but it's the safe, knowledgeable citizens that are being pressed under the big thumb.
Criminals don't register their guns, nor do they care if someone gets popped in the head if they can get cash or drugs out of the deal.

Gun control keeps wanting to take away law abiding citizens defenses.

South Africa banned guns, altogether, and crime rates shot up through the roof because burglers could 'burgle' without fear of being shot and the number of rape victims skyrocketed, hence the invention of the 'anti-rape condom'.

www.rapestop.net/

I still say "Guns for Everyone", but now include proper training and age limits.
Thanks for reminding me about highschool mentality, skier.

[Demona]

That Rapestop thing looks like a plastic laundry detergent cap!

[Phil]

I am all for being able to carry guns. I also am leary about over gunning the population.
If everybody carried guns as potrayed by the old west I doubt anybody would live past the age 20.

I would not be in favor of guns right in the school.

Some things are overdone. A guard once thought a student might have something so he tackled the student and found a gun in his coat.

Review decided that the guard had no right to check that student.

Now that's just stupid.

Once the gun was found it's a whole new ball of wax.

Guns in school and in your pocket, that is pushing it a lot. A swiss army knife is not a 'deadly weapon' although sometime in history I'm sure a swiss pocket knife has caused a death of somebody but for practical purposes it's a tool not really a weapon.

I have 1 in my pocket almost all the time.

If we get too carried away a screwdriver or wrench can be a weapon too.

[Demona]

jesusaurus said:

Calm down Demona....

Heres the definition from the Webster's Dictionary of Law:
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source

Main Entry: fel·o·ny
Pronunciation: 'fe-l&-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -nies
: a crime that has a greater punishment imposed by statute than that imposed on a misdemeanor; specifically : a federal crime for which the punishment may be death or imprisonment for more than a year —see also ATTAINDER, TREASON
NOTE: Originally in English law a felony was a crime for which the perpetrator would suffer forfeiture of all real and personal property as well as whatever sentence was imposed. Under U.S. law, there is no forfeiture of all of the felon's property (real or personal) and such forfeiture is not part of the definition of a felony. For certain crimes, however (as for a conviction under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act or a narcotics law), specific property, such as that used in or gained by the crime, is subject to forfeiture. Every state has its own statutory definition of a felony. Most are in line with the federal definition of a felony as a crime which carries a sentence of imprisonment for more than one year or the death penalty (where applicable). Other states, like Louisiana, define a felony as a crime which carries a sentence of death or imprisonment at hard labor.
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Decide for yourself

And some felony convictions in Georgia aren't that bad when you look at the big picture www.georgiadefenders.com/felony.htm

Didn't say it didn't fall under the category, but I still say it's absurd to treat it so extreme. The law can be interpreted in different ways in different states, but it's simply being paranoid to overreact. I do understand that this day and age it may be more dangerous out there, but still you need to think twice before deciding what's really bad and what can get off lightly.

To Mahnarch, yes anything can be used as a weapon but there are some things meant to be used as weapons, you know, things like swords, guns, martial arts equipment, for defending yourself. Things meant as tools were not designed for that purpose. You can also use to defend yourself, a completely harmless object in terms of what it is, say, a hard frozen turkey could knock someone unconcious, or you could burn them with a hot light bulb. It boils down to intention in that case.

[earlthekevin]

Yeah man, the schools are rough in my area; we all carry .38s and at least 4 switchblades. Hell, there's a monkey-knife fight almost everyday.

[dannyboy]

In my neighborhood the neighborhood gets tougher the farther back you go and I live in the last house.

[Mahnarch]

Earl! I want in on that monkey fight!

Put me down for $20 on the big guy.

***

Phil, it's the 'No Gun Zones' that get hit the most often by mass shooters: Schools, Post Offices, etc.

You never hear of someone shooting a crowd of people at a Gun Show.
Could you imagine that, though?

"AAAHH!! He's got a gun!!"
"So do we."
Baam! He's down.
With proper training, it doesn't always have to be a fatal shot, either.
A shot to the leg or the proper spot in the chest/stomach will stop anyone in their tracks.

***

Demona, kids could use a pen or pencil or scissors as an effective weapon. Something given to them by the school.

I wouldn't doubt if the lady who invented the anti rape condom got the idea from Tide. lol.

[earlthekevin]

mahnarch said:

Earl! I want in on that monkey fight!

Put me down for $20 on the big guy.

Sorry son. This ain't the amateur league

[Mahnarch]

Aww, How do I get to be a pro?

[Demona]

dannyboy said:

In my neighborhood the neighborhood gets tougher the farther back you go and I live in the last house.

So you live by the ghetto?

[cactus1]

The main issue is not the gun, but bullets. An empty gun is about as useful as a metal stick. Bullets should be made safer, like somehow (microchips?) having them be impossible to shoot in particular zones or something like that. It could be embedded in the bullet in such a manner that it is impossible to emove without destroying the bullet. I doubt many of the criminals have hte knowledge of how to make bullets, so this could be a good solution.

[Demona]

That's a nice idea but how wold you do that? A microchip in the gun and a microchip in the building that somehow blocks it's use? There are bullets that are not meant to kill but do harm.

[cactus1]

Some MEMS device could probably be used to lock a bullet's percussion cap in place, stopping the triggering hammer from hitting the percussion cap and igniting the gunpowder. There could be some form of radio transmitter in the building that could send messages to the MEMS. Bullets that are meant to harm but not kill aren't in common use for the time being.

[Mahnarch]

Intrigueing, Cactus.

But, I argue the case of criminals not knowing how bullets work.

You could walk into Cabela's today and walk out with a complete 'reloader' kit and figure out how to load your own rounds with no problem - sans microchips.

They'll probably even sell you a 'How To' book.

Reloading is actually pretty easy. All you'd need is a tumbler, a scale, some lead shots and powder and caps...

In fact, I'll make a bullet right now....

*whirrrr*

Tada!! .40cal hollow point.

*whirrr, several minutes later*

Tada!! Full metal jacket, .44cal.

*whirrr*

.22cal long rifle, steel shot.

All it takes is cash and know-how.
And, unless they figure out how to put MEMS into 'blast' caps, we'll hear no silence of guns or Admin on this board. lol.

[cactus1]

And, unless they figure out how to put MEMS into 'blast' caps, we'll hear no silence of guns or Admin on this board.

That's what a percussion cap is.