Immigrants

[jesusaurus]

mahnarch said:

Ok why do they need to my house? They can live in their own house.

Exactly...

Let's re-examine that:
"Ok why do they need to my (country)? They can live in their own (country)."

And, why would the 7 kids thing upset Catholics?
I'm just sending you 'a lot of people' (20 million illegals ratioed down). It's easier if they're all from the same family.

And my Legos were made in Scandinavia thats whole different story

!!

So, somehow, since they were made in Scandinavia....they aren't made and transported by blue collar workers?

Ok, first you do understand in Mexico's leading religon is Catholic. Which means no birth control. You just go on the stereotypical opinion the Latinos have lots of kids. Yet you ignore the Americans that have upwards of 10 Also about legos, who cares who ships them I was talking about who makes them. Trucking driving is pretty much the EASIEST job, so anyone could do that therefor who delivers them is no difference. I stand corrected I guess Legos did derive from woodshop. Who cares, in the 21st century most mass produced things are made my computers.

Edit: About the house thing, Would you rather live in a mansion or a dirty slum in the projects? The only reason they come here is for a better life, and I don't see the problem with being a good host?

[dannyboy]

Mc Liberal you are not an ignorant person. But that is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a while for someone who was being serious.

Before you get offended just check it out. Truck driving is one of the easiest jobs? How do you know do you even have a license to drive an Escort or Cavalier let alone an 18 wheeler? Then can you with that big rig with 10 forward gears and a trailer hauling a 35 ton load 70,000 LBS negotiate through heavy traffic, in city, highway and through delivery areas and back the 53 footer up to the loading dock that only allows you about 6" on either side of the trailer?

And you have pages upon pages of dot red tape to cut through as well.

Then birth control is not just a Catholic thing my friend anybody who respects life should be respectful that if you have only 1 right it is the right to be born. Mexican, Catholic or anything else for that matter. What most liberals think is health care is sickening. But this thread is not for us to go there so I'll save that for another thread.

A better life? I agree. Being that Classic is my brother in law I have first hand knowleg of some guy who tryout for baseabll teams not thinking they can make the baseball team because if 300 come in that year only about 70 are going to be good enough amd the other 230 pretty well know they're not going to be picked. They hope they'll shake the right hand or stroke the right person the right way to get a sponsorship to come back. They may be here under the guise of trying out for a baseball team but they're really trying out for citizenship.

Is that wrong? No.

Like you said would you rather live in a slum or a mansion? In comparison an American slum would be a mansion to the life at home.

Its not only your right to improve your lifestyle it's your duty. You should be trying to get the best grades in school that you can get not just get a high enough grade to pass and not have your parents get mad at you.

Being a good host? Fine.

There are no mass productions without blue prints. Even the coarsest of craftsmen have to do some measuring. But even the computer started somewhere.

That observation about "who cares about woodshop because the mass produced items of the 21st century come from computers"

That's like me saying "Who cares about dairy farmers in this 21st century and their cows? If I need milk I can just head over to Food Lion?

The milk still came from a cow at some point.

[jesusaurus]

I should sue you for misquoting me. "but this thread is not for us to go there so I'll save that for another thread..."

Anyway... ok about birth control. Women have the right to prevent a baby that was conceived during rape or born into the life of 13year old girl who wants to do something with her life. In my opinion terminating a baby before it is considered "a human" is better than watching it starve to death on behalf of a mother abandoning it, or just not being able to afford to feed it. About the truck drivers. I guess you could blame my mom for that because she's always told me that you should work hard or you might end up eating Denny's and driving I-80 the rest of your live delivering food



I'm tired of all these goppies arguing with me so I'm just gonna leave this topic alone.

[skier1]

You know, you could have done that without saying anything. Like, two pages ago.

[Peon]

jesusaurus phails at internets

[Mahnarch]

cactus1 said:

to treat dangerous tools with respect.

So I should quit IB and decide to take woodshop, learn to not saw my hand off, rather than use close to college level materials?
I'm not sure that woodshop would cover all that you say it does.

Cactus - IB is fine to learn, but how would you approach a bandsaw when you get a job as an engineer in a woodshop, working IT.

Guy: "Hey! Look at this machine."
Cactus leans over the machine to get a better look, not seeing, or knowing about, the 'invisible' saw blade that cuts his neck open.
Cactus: "Ow."
Cactus falls down, dying until he's dead.

Machinery can really gently caress you up. It helps if you get a base understanding of how things work.

How about knowing how to change a tire on the side of the highway when you're out of cellphone range?
Torque, co-efficient of lift, ground base, overriding electronic locks that don't happen to work at the wrong time...etc.

Get your IB, but don't forget how the stick and stone work, man.

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McLiberal:

Ok, first you do understand in Mexico's leading religon is Catholic. Which means no birth control. You just go on the stereotypical opinion the Latinos have lots of kids. Yet you ignore the Americans that have upwards of 10

Yes, I know that the majority of Mexico is Roman Catholic and are highly family orientated.
How does this come into play? It's like saying, "That guy is named Gerald." and then he turns out to be blind.

McLiberal said:

Also about legos, who cares who ships them I was talking about who makes them.

Mahnarch said:

So, somehow, since they were made in Scandinavia....they aren't made and transported by blue collar workers?

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Yet you ignore the Americans that have upwards of 10

Like, what? - 0.05% of Americans? Americans don't have the time or money (because they've all been fired in order to be replaced by someone who doesn't speak english) to afford 10+ kids.

Ok, I'll send a family of Americans to your house, too, then.

Who cares, in the 21st century most mass produced things are made my computers.

So, computers are pulling out their tape measures and drawing their own drafts, now?
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Dannyboy pretty much explained the 'Truck Driving is easy' part.
(Good job, Dan. Thanks....also with the Milk thing, mansion thing, and the being a host thing).

But, to add:

About the truck drivers. I guess you could blame my mom for that because she's always told me that you should work hard or you might end up eating Denny's and driving I-80 the rest of your live delivering food.

Tell your mom: How is this different than typing on a computer all day? or paving a street, stocking a shelf, manufacturing her lipstick?......DRIVING HER LIPSTICK FROM THE FACTORY TO THE STORE?!, building the car she drives to get to the store to buy her lipstick? - building the store?

I'd be interested to know her response, seriously.

[jesusaurus]

mahnarch said:

cactus1 said:

Tell your mom: How is this different than typing on a computer all day? or paving a street, stocking a shelf, manufacturing her lipstick?......DRIVING HER LIPSTICK FROM THE FACTORY TO THE STORE?!, building the car she drives to get to the store to buy her lipstick? - building the store?

I'd be interested to know her response, seriously.

She said give you a real answer once you get a real job, and go to college

[Mahnarch]

McLiberal, I challenge you (and your mom)!
*slaps both of you with a leather glove*

Your challenge:
Drive a semi through a set of cones I have conveniently set up in this parking lot and back up to that fire hydrant without knocking it over.

You have a 2 minute timeline.
Knocking over a cone equates to hitting a car or a pedestrian.

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I just noticed how easily the helmet comes off the guy on the bike in your sig gif.
He didn't even strap it on.

What movie is that? American Ninja?
I don't quite remember.

[cactus1]

I know!! Catapult the car over the course after covering the fire hydrant in cement.

Also, I blame America for the immigrant problem. If the security was stronger, only the better immigrants (the ones that can figure out how to climb over or dig under a fence) would manage to get into America and would fill in well-needed professional jobs. The strength of the fence acts as a filter to the quality of illegal immigratns we receive. Also, if we weren't so dang awesome, they wouldn't try to invade into America for a better life.

[earlthekevin]

"I know!! Catapult the car over the course after covering the fire hydrant in cement."

best line of all time

[Kevin]

So basically what I gather from this thread lately is that Manarch thinks he's better than everyone here because he considers himself blue collar and more American.

Excuse me for being a little less American by not wanting to do that. Just about all of my family works a blue collar job. Factory work, construction, etc. I have worked in a factory on the floor to make money for school. I've done it twice, and I never plan on doing it again. I'm working in a different factory now, but as an engineer. I get an office and don't have to perform the physical labor that the people out on the floor do. Do I think I'm better than them? Not at all. I wouldn't just be able to hop in and run the complicated machinery that they do, but then again they probably wouldn't be able to run the optical comparator or analyze data like I do. We each have our own specialties, and both my job and the jobs of the people on the floor are important in the process of making our product.

The whole "engineer not knowing how to use a band saw thing"... yeah. I've been using a band saw since I was 14. And I guess Ohio State must be so far ahead of the rest of the colleges out there; we have those new-fangled band saws in our ME building. Must be a safety leader too: I never saw a fellow engineer sever a jugular vein when I was building a robot from scratch. What type of self respecting engineering program wouldn't teach students about a band saw? Of course EE's or CSE's wouldn't use them as much, but every school has some sort of general engineering class that first years take.

Maybe it's your blind conservative "I'm more American than everyone than everyone who doesn't think like me... FAWK YEAH!" attitude... not to say I'm liberal because I would consider myself moderate. Politics these days have gone down the drain. it's no longer a representation of the people, as our forefathers intended, but instead it's more of a "I'm more right than he is, don't listen to him" bickering contest.

Excuse me for being less American than you are, but maybe you should get off your high horse.

[Kimm]

spartan said:

So basically what I gather from this thread lately is that Manarch thinks he's better than everyone here because he considers himself blue collar and more American..

I dont really see that in Mahnarchs post but maybe its in there. Thats not how I get it though.

To me it was more like a rebuttal to being told truck drivers have an easy job.

A long elaborate rebuttal but still a rebuttal.

I dont see his post saying bad things about engineers or white collar people either but maybe its in there and I didnt see it.

Just to point out most said blue collar Americans are union members and nearly every factory union supports the democrat in national elections except for a few exceptions like National Rifle Association because some democrats and I know not all but Mike Dukakis, John Kerry Howard Metzenbaum and Ted Kennedy were so verbally in favor of heavy gun control.

And I didnt put that out to debate gun control in this subject but more to explain why there is a verbal union that is not in the camp of the democrats.

I am a republican more because of being tradition I think mist democrats tend to jump onto bandwagons and the Clinton approach was take a poll and then take a stand thats more bandwagon than leader. Most of the more high profile democrats have changed their position on issues for no reason other than the party has made them do so in order to be endorsed.

Again not all. Zell Miller never waffled, Phil Graham became a republican when the democratic party announced the party wide stance on 3 major issues he did not agree with.

Immigrants? The real issue of this post.

Like I said I dont know. I agree with what a number of people have said in that if we do our job well enough we usually wont have to worry about losing it.

If we manufactured more goods at home instead of outsourcing them there would be more jobs to go around and much of this problem would go away.

[Captain Awesome]

cactus1 said:

If the security was stronger, only the better immigrants (the ones that can figure out how to climb over or dig under a fence) would manage to get into America and would fill in well-needed professional jobs. The strength of the fence acts as a filter to the quality of illegal immigratns we receive.

The most sense I've heard so far in this thread.

[Peon]

tc23 said:

jesusaurus phails at internets

The most sense I've heard so far in this thread.

[Mahnarch]

Kimm, there is no underlying statement in my posts. I don't think I'm a 'better American',,,but I do believe that I'm better than the prepubeciants on this board (who, somehow, became Mods) in that: I've lived twice the life they have and I've developed an understanding of the world, far better than they have.

I've also seen un-sindicated programs of 'Small Wonder' and 'Out of This World.'

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Cactus.......where do I start?....

Have you ever been a member of the Boy Scouts?
Have you learned the basics of survival and the wild. The wild is built on 'Blue Collar' basics.

(by the way, I finally looked at everyone's ages and found that you are, in no way, working on an IB, MBA, PhD, or any other TLA.)

If you get stranded on a desert island, or in the wilds of Canadian forestry, you're 'computer machine' knowledge isn't going to help you live longer than a week.

I blame America for the immigrant problem. If the security was stronger,

Agreed. That's why we're "trying" to build a better fence.
Get Bush off his lazy poo pooer and 'Get On With It!'.

The whole "engineer not knowing how to use a band saw thing"... yeah. I've been using a band saw since I was 14.

I've been splitting and chopping wood with chainsaws and axes since I was 6.

I knew how to run a field tractor when I was 10 (and could reach the pedals).

I knew how to run a pumper truck at the Fire Department when I was 8.

I could also decifer 'Dispatcher Speak' at 8. "All units. 4-12. Giles and Getty. Heavy needed. 5 and 12."
Respondant 1: "Roger, dispatch. 232. Enroute, heavy."
Respondant 2: "Dispatch, copy. 418, light."

Your dad had a band saw. He taught you to use it. Good.
How does this fit in...?

[Unfortunate events have come up and I must abandon this rebuttlal, for now. I shall return.]

[Kevin]

mahnarch said:

The whole "engineer not knowing how to use a band saw thing"... yeah. I've been using a band saw since I was 14.

I've been splitting and chopping wood with chainsaws and axes since I was 6.

I knew how to run a field tractor when I was 10 (and could reach the pedals).

I knew how to run a pumper truck at the Fire Department when I was 8.

I could also decifer 'Dispatcher Speak' at 8. "All units. 4-12. Giles and Getty. Heavy needed. 5 and 12."
Respondant 1: "Roger, dispatch. 232. Enroute, heavy."
Respondant 2: "Dispatch, copy. 418, light."

Your dad had a band saw. He taught you to use it. Good.
How does this fit in...?

It fits in because you act like if someone isn't blue collar that they therefore have no knowledge whatsoever of how to use any type of machinery.

By your logic, why are you even on a computer? Shouldn't you been whittling some wood or doing something not to strain your blue collar brain?

See how bad that sounds?

Congratulations on coming off as a pompous ass.

[cactus1]

IB's the more general term for what I'm in. PIB is the more accurate term.

If you get stranded on a desert island, or in the wilds of Canadian forestry, you're 'computer machine' knowledge isn't going to help you live longer than a week.

Still wondering how knowing how to work a bandsaw, chainsaw, or field tractor in that situation would make a difference.

With the invention of duct tape, very little knowledge is needed to fix almost everything, with the exception of complex machines such as airplanes, car engines, etc. These fall under the category of having a particular degree and education in the associated field.

[Mahnarch]

See how bad that sounds?

Congratulations on coming off as a pompous ass.

YES! *punch dive* I have accomplished my goal.

.....

I see your side, man.
Sorry for coming in blazing.

It's just that I see that kids who are learning nothing but computer stuff aren't learning the basics of life.

How many computer lab students can start a fire without a lighter, or propane torch?
How many can hunt for food and live off the land?
How many would think to use a tree branch as a lever to remove the large boulder off their leg?

I just want the new generation to keep learning the basics of life. A Pentium III isn't going to catch fish.

It seems, to me, that the kids that are learning 'white collar' are learning nothing BUT 'white collar'.
I hand them a wrench and they look at me like I just handed them something off an alien spaceship.

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Still wondering how knowing how to work a bandsaw, chainsaw, or field tractor in that situation would make a difference.

With the invention of duct tape, very little knowledge is needed to fix almost everything, with the exception of complex machines such as airplanes, car engines, etc. These fall under the category of having a particular degree and education in the associated field.

True, duct tape is awesome, but it doesn't fix everything....like a leaky duct tape seal.

Let's say you get stranded in the woods.
You were out, partying hardy, and your car broke down and the nearest house is 20 miles away.

The fix: A broken wire that could easily be fixed with tying the broken pieces together until it could be repaired properly.
You can't plug your laptop into your car, and, since you wouldn't have 'blue collar' knowledge (taking from my first comment), you wouldn't be able to find the open circuit, let alone fix it.

Looks like a 20 mile walk for Cactus......in the rain........and he has long hair, so no one picks him up......and he's been drinking and the only person to stop is a Sheriff... who 'roadsides' him and he fails because he doesn't know the highway mileage of a Honda Civic.

You're going to jail!