what is the point of keeping slackers?

[Kimm]

Slackers. How about students who dont do their work, and dont study all year long and hope that you will give them a passing grade anyway even though they dont know anything?

But then they think they can just go to summer school and make it up.

[angel607]

i remember going to summer school once. because I didn't do my english homework many times. I learned my lesson after that. summer school you get homework and tests everyday to prepare for. also history I didn't do to well because it was really hard for me. but I passed summer school and onto the next grade for me. it was a lot of work and many times in the morning before classes I woke up early to study.

[angel607]

i never thought I would see the day when slackers get rewarded. a girl ali who just started had to be told to help me with returns and some have already complained because when she worked with sharon ali never helped. there has been 2 times I will give her credit she helped me with returns so I was happy. however recently we were really backed up and I finished a rollbar and one basket of clothes. she was straightening in her area so I finished my stuff and left half a roll bar for her to do. she took it out to ladieswear where she was working then hours later brought it back to the fitting room with everything still on. I was so mad. I then find out from pat she wins some kind of gamechanger award. she helped a custormer who's daughter had cystic fibros and the custormer raved about ali. so you know what kmart did to reward her? they had someone come in and give her a award of a $500.00 gift card to use. this is my third year in a row I don't even get a raise. I paid for a motel years ago for 2 days to stay so I could make it into work when a snow storm hit with blizzard like conditions and 95 percent of the people on the floor stayed home. they offered to pay the bill when I told them I walked here because my motel was close by but I wouldn't let them. I stayed 14 hours when people called off came in during hurricane sandy where many also called off but I guess that means nothing. I am not saying I deserved the award but there were many hard working people who deserved it more. I mean awarding someone for doing what is required of their job? why not reward someone who actually works and goes above and beyond. I guess that's to much to ask for. I agree this generation many seem to just not care. it's all about facebooking at work saying omg he liked my picture or making someone pick up their slack. management fawns all over ali so it's not worth mentioning. you rat out a slacker they label you a tattletale.

[Phil]

Last night was a waste. That is sometimes a problem on 3rd shift. There's not enough planned so they split us up. They sent Brian and the crew 1 place and me to another to put in a new sink. That takes about an hour unless you have major other trouble but there wasn't so it took an hour plus travel time getting there. Then they tell me to hang out there in case there's more to do at that place. I waited about an hour and a half and then they had me change 4 light bulbs.

I know some people would say 'so what the less you have to do the more it pays' I don't see it that way. I'd rather be doing something useful.

[DragonLady]

Something else that makes me mad is people who were previously good, but something happens in their personal life and they take it out on the job. About a couple weeks ago one guy passed a bundle off on me to babysit for a certain guy to bag, and I was busy doing what I had to and forgot, and the other bagger got it. I don't see how that was a problem because I'm sure they both know where it went, but why the guy who did it didn't keep it by him if it was so important is beyond me. Then he complained about me within earshot that I didn't. The next night really annoyed me though. Me and this one woman had certain spots on a machine to watch, and we helped eachother out. He had his own side, and three to do. One of them that was supposed to be his, I ended up doing almost all of. He had no problem walking further to help the guy on the other side, but not his own which was right there. During cleanup he was in the back room smoking and talking. You know, just because whatever happened at home doesn't mean it needs to carry over into work like that. That was crap.

[angel607]

they should never make you do all the work I would be mad as hell. diamond once did that to me and I hated it. she told me some story of her father cheating on her mom and she is not doing okay. made me do all the returns. my sister was in the hospital and even though I was sad about it I won't let that stop me from doing my work unless it's really bad. I know 2 years ago was my manager hugged me and I almost broke down crying. they told me I could go home early but I said if there's any updates people will call my work. just because you work hard that doesn't give people the right to take advantage of you.

[Classicblast]

With all the unemployed people, I'd think that more people woh have jobs could be a bit more grateful. I know Phil and Mahnarch hace made comments like that too.

But how can those who don't do their job or have to be leaned on heavy to keep the pace not frustrate the rest of the people who do want to do their job?

[DragonLady]

Jun 24, 2013 18:20:21 GMT -5 angel607 said:

they should never make you do all the work I would be mad as hell. diamond once did that to me and I hated it. she told me some story of her father cheating on her mom and she is not doing okay. made me do all the returns. my sister was in the hospital and even though I was sad about it I won't let that stop me from doing my work unless it's really bad. I know 2 years ago was my manager hugged me and I almost broke down crying. they told me I could go home early but I said if there's any updates people will call my work. just because you work hard that doesn't give people the right to take advantage of you.

Oh I was mad, but there's nothing that could be done. Our usual leader wasn't in, so a guy was subbing for operator that night, and he was back there too, smoking. Did anyone ever tell Diamond when she refused, that she better help them? I think that night the guy who wouldn't help me was just mad I didn't babysit his stuff for him that he should have watched!

[Phil]

Subs are often the least good workers. Even when I was a kid and my kids now, substitute teachers generally don't teach they babysit a class in a 'study hall' format. That was the case even when I was in school. Its the case here too. Not if a regular assigned worker pulls a double shift or something but if they bring a guy from a different department to fill in. He usually glides it out and doesn't push hard.

When a crew is brought in for urgent means its all different its push hard for the whole shift and scarcely a break. I prefer that though. I find work days drag on if its not busy. Once in a while I pull out a laptop and go to facebook or something when I'm in 'downtime' I have talked to Kimm, Dragonlady, Mahnarch, Jersey and angel607 on facebook when on down time.

Down time is when they tell me to stay put because they have more work for me at that location but they don't know what its going to be yet. Or they're sending someone to bring the supplies for me to finish a job and I have to wait for them.

Our transport guys are the worst slackers. They sleep in a van between calls then they get called and told to get *for example* a water fountain out of warehouse 8 and bring it to the Custer Amtrack stop for us to put in. That usually takes over an hour by the time they go to the warehouse, get what they're told to get and bring it to us. And often it takes longer because the trasport guys are not usually in a hurry.

[DragonLady]

The guy in charge that night is someone who is in charge of everything where machines are concerned, and does maintenance when we're down because he knows it. We're not his primary area though. He ran back and forth that night watching things and fixing them, the only time he didn't was right at the end. The guy who was part of our crew though was the one not being helpful at all. We've got people who'll do everything so they don't have to do something. Like walk around with random junk or take carts out so they don't have to clean. They'll just try to "look" busy.

[angel607]

i think pat was the one who asked Diamond to help out with returns. the managers ignored the problem for a long time because diamond knew how to suck up to them. Diamond was the reason the one night pat walked out of the store because the girl wouldn't help and pat got fed up. pat said she was sorry to the manager and she told them about Diamond and they said if you have a problem with any employee tell us we are here to help. some managers were truly there to help but a few sided with Diamond and acted like we had the problem. these people were caught messing up and given chance after chance. the final straw came when diamond called off work again then called back to see when she worked. the manager had enough of her made a joke and said why are you planning to call off that day to? she came in and they fired her. I was so glad. I even told pat I can't take working with that girl anymore. jobs are really hard to get now be lucky with what you have and simply do your best. but I can't deal with people who refuse to do anything.

[Phil]

I just don't understand the mentality of today. They do rock paper scissors to avoid tasks, they say 'not me' 'I'm not doing that' if I were an owner those people wouldn't last 5 minutes that way.

I also hear people talk about jobs and say 'all it pays is....'
The thing is to get paid more you have to do more. Most of the time you will be noticed and paid more when shown you take the responsibility and run the extra mile.

I was in my early 20s and took on responsibility. By age 25 I was paid higher and relied on more than a lot of guys who had 20 or more years in. I like the crew I am on but if I wanted to be a foreman they'd make me one.

I like working with the group I am with. The core of 5. There's about 20 guys who are sometimes put with us. But there's 5 of us that are core. I like that crew enough that I don't care to split but if there was ever a reason to split Brian and I I would be a foreman whether I asked for it or not.

There's still a possibility of our crew going to dayshift. I think whey Penn York doesn't do that or hasn't yet is because overnight we get a lot of the things up and running in a timely way without any downtime at all with departments that only run 1 shift. I think Penn York is concerned that other crews might not be as punctual. CSX could still move us to days and over ride Penn York though.