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Post by dinin on Mar 17, 2011 6:14:28 GMT -5
that depends, are we willing to risk another golf of mexico disaster?
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Post by Phil on Mar 17, 2011 13:06:15 GMT -5
that depends, are we willing to risk another golf of mexico disaster? There shouldn't have been 1 that time. That was the result of careless procedure. It usually is. Sure sometimes things just go wrong and there's nothing you or anybody else did wrong its just how it went. Most of the time it was a screw up on the part of the people who were supposed to do their job correctly. I personally would like to have seen home drilling and less dependence on the rest of the world. That to me is not just for oil its for all products. I buy products made in this country whenever possible. Cars, clothes, most kinds of products I'll take a 2nd look to see if there's a American made product. If there's not then I buy what's available. I spend more money buying a desk for my 7 year old I could have had a China made product for 19.99. But I paid 49.95 for the American product. I do that with most things. Its pretty hard to get a tv made in this county and its impossible to get a computer made at home. Although my HP laptop is avaisive where it claims being made but it almost implies its made in Canada. I picked it for that reason. If the United States and Canada don't return to manufacturing I think what my grand parents predicted is well on the way. One day we will become a dependent nation. Some 25 or so years later it looks like that's coming to a head. As far as gas prices go I could help my own cause more. I'm sure I could drive a little less but I think that's giving up. I didn't have to buy a big 4 x 4 either. Those were my choices. I really hope we're not heading for 10 a gallon though. |
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Post by Alan on Mar 22, 2011 17:05:00 GMT -5
I swear that lower gas prices would be the best way to improve the economy. I know all about supply and demand. You can't make up in volume if you're not making a profit to start with. If they set the prices down around $2 a gallon there would be mad jobs created more travel. Even things like having your driveway paved would be cheaper.
Shipping of all kinds would have reduced prices that makes for more people spending the money to have it done. It's the lifeblood of the economic growth to keep oil and gas prices in check.
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Post by dinin on Mar 22, 2011 21:43:13 GMT -5
that depends, are we willing to risk another golf of mexico disaster? There shouldn't have been 1 that time. That was the result of careless procedure. It usually is. Sure sometimes things just go wrong and there's nothing you or anybody else did wrong its just how it went. Most of the time it was a screw up on the part of the people who were supposed to do their job correctly. I personally would like to have seen home drilling and less dependence on the rest of the world. That to me is not just for oil its for all products. I buy products made in this country whenever possible. Cars, clothes, most kinds of products I'll take a 2nd look to see if there's a American made product. If there's not then I buy what's available. I spend more money buying a desk for my 7 year old I could have had a China made product for 19.99. But I paid 49.95 for the American product. I do that with most things. Its pretty hard to get a tv made in this county and its impossible to get a computer made at home. Although my HP laptop is avaisive where it claims being made but it almost implies its made in Canada. I picked it for that reason. If the United States and Canada don't return to manufacturing I think what my grand parents predicted is well on the way. One day we will become a dependent nation. Some 25 or so years later it looks like that's coming to a head. As far as gas prices go I could help my own cause more. I'm sure I could drive a little less but I think that's giving up. I didn't have to buy a big 4 x 4 either. Those were my choices. I really hope we're not heading for 10 a gallon though. you make a good point about buying local, I myself by made in quebec cause indeed our manufacturing is down too and we are also out of jobs. I take some pride in encouradging the small local retailer when possible. but for oil, every decition comes with a price tag, take Canada's example, in alberta we got lots of oil ( as mutch as saudi arabis it is said ) in tar sands, but the extraction process creates alot of very polluted water and its very damaging environement-wise. yet it would reduce our dependency on foreign oil. allow us to keep low gas prices, but at what cost? i think we should not wait for other nations to make electric vehicules and sutch, I say there otta be some american and canadian made factory that employs people and make sutch cars, ( along with solar, wind and geotermal products ) it would kick start back our twin economy ( cause Canada's economy is deeply related to the American economy ) when things go better in the USA , things will go all the better in Canada the way I see it. |
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Post by Phil on Mar 23, 2011 14:03:36 GMT -5
Over a century ago they said that clearing a path for train tracks would destroy timber and wildlife. It no doubt disrupted it for a while during the construction of railroads. But there's plenty of wild life and timber still left among the woods the tracks are in place and the trains pass through.
I think it would be similar to drill in Alberta, Alaska and Texas. It would have disruption at 1st but it would lesson after a while.
Incidentally, right near where I live there's 'Brad-Penn' Oil. The plant is shown in some of my videos as I drive past the refinery.
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Post by Jersey on Mar 23, 2011 20:48:44 GMT -5
According to this article, the high price of gas has directly caused the price of food to jump 3.9%, the biggest jump since 1974. www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/23/gas-groceries-prices-rise/This is a problem because now Americans (and Canadians, for dinin) are now paying a lot more for food. Just to put food on the table and gas in the car to go to work is costing much more than normal, and the wealth spent there is no longer being spent elsewhere. Electric cars won't solve the gas crisis that is liable to hit. Those vehicles are exceedingly difficult to develop, and the average citizen won't be able to afford the price tags. Things aren't easy for hybrid owners either. They may grin arrogantly at other people that still drive cars exclusive to gasoline, but ask any one of those people what its like having to replace or repair the braking system on one of those cars. You'll find that smile has disappeared rather quickly. Fuel and monetary wealth need to find balance. Inflation thanks to government spending (worthless paper money) and high oil prices due to Middle East unrest is the baseline for an economic meltdown. People can't afford to pay for these things if they get too expensive. I'm looking into buying a Harley. A five gallon gas tank won't kill me even if it goes to $10. |
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Post by dinin on Mar 23, 2011 21:51:40 GMT -5
yeah good point about food prices going up, its not like we all have a salary raise to compensate. it seems clear to me that at the moment we are still too dependent on oil to stop drilling for it in order to control oil prices. but at the same time we should seek to limit the environnemental damage as mutch as we can and drive the reserch for green techs as fast as possible.
beacose as soon as more fully electric cars are out on the market prices will drop and space car peices will become cheaper. of course the big oil company are gonna be the big losers losing billions of dollars in profit. but a new industry that will last for generations will emerge.
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Post by Jersey on Apr 18, 2011 8:19:51 GMT -5
I watched the news yesterday and saw that some gas stations in New York are at $4.65. The price of food has skyrocketed, and the national average is hovering somewhere around $3.85.
And when asked at a town hall by a taxpayer what he was going to do about sky high gas prices, Hussein Hopenchange was kind enough to reply that maybe it was time to trade in that 8mpg gas guzzler for something new. As if Americans, who have not seen a wage increase due unreasonably high taxes on businesses, can really afford that right now. Job growth has already slowed down.
I'm up to over $100 a week in gasoline as it is right now. And like every other American I simply cannot afford a new car right now. And if energy prices stay where they are or go even higher (experts predict $5 gas by memorial day), I never will.
Fantastic.
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Post by Mahnarch on Apr 18, 2011 10:55:28 GMT -5
You beat me to the "Buy a new car" bit that your best friend Barry said.* If the guy can't afford to put fuel in his car, how is he expected to be able to afford a $700/mth hybrid car payment? Fuel prices here are at $3.95/gal and I have noticed that food prices have gone up (and quantities gone down) at my local food mart - though, they have been keeping major things "on sale" for quite a while, now. At our company, we got a newsletter about a week ago talking about our own price hikes on deliveries because of the fuel prices and tips on how to save fuel by taking short cuts around heavy traffic and trying NOT to get lost (as often). Also, we're being dialed back on the speedometer. Probably to 62MPH** And, it won't be just our company. So, if you're coming up on a tractor/trailer in the near future be warned that it's going slower than it was in the past. *I kid! We all know he's your second best friend! 
**Semi's, unlike cars, can be computer programed by a governor to keep the vehicle from exceeding a certain, designated speed. Schneider Trucking (the big orange trucks) have been governed to 62MPH for years. It's not the driver's fault. |
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Post by Kimm on Apr 20, 2011 18:27:32 GMT -5
I have a new car. Well I bought it new its a couple years old now. But it gets good mileage (and I dont fart into the gas tank like my dad suggests) ;D
The thing is the Bush haters accused Bush for letting prices be this way saying he was letting his friends in the oil business rip everybody off.
He has been out of office for two and a half years and the prices have not gone down whos fault is it now?
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Post by thunderbird on Apr 25, 2011 3:13:26 GMT -5
Higher gas prices have made it so I have to quote jobs 1 to 10 thousand dollars higher than ever 2 years ago. And friends, it aint the Republicans now.
The should go the other way with it. Make oil foolishly cheap. As cheap as they can make it and still make a profit. That would skyrocket the economy fast and more than all those congressional non visionarys could ever imagine.
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Post by Phil on Apr 26, 2011 13:17:09 GMT -5
That's exactly right raw vitamin pills to the economy would be lower gas prices.
I can't speak for everybody but not drive is not really an option for me. Maybe it is for some people. As we all know I have a big 3500 series 4 wheel drive which is not the most fuel efficient. But that's what I have. Should I and others be forced out of trucks over this?
Thunderbird I can't imagine what you must spend in fuel with over 70 trucks. Thats not to mention bulldozers, tractors, pay loaders, and other construction machines with a gasoline or diesel engine.
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 27, 2011 2:58:21 GMT -5
I have a Mustang and a F350 Basically the Ford version of your truck I know exactly what you mean. It costs a fortune but I'm not about to be forced into a Hybrid or whatever they're pushing. Battery operated rollerskates.
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Post by Phil on Apr 27, 2011 13:05:34 GMT -5
It keeps coming back to the Obama administration said that 3 things would be their focus. Getting out of Iraq in 16 months. It's been about 30 and we're not out of there. For the record I would not want troops withdrawn prematurely but the thing is he said 16 months and that has not happened.
2) Lower gas prices. They're higher than ever and threatening to increase beyond $5 per gallon by summertime.
3) To lower the national debt. The balance that his administration has more than doubled in only their 1st year and have not reduced it at all in their 2nd.
As far as being born in Kenya or Hawaii I honestly don't give the north end of a southbound rat about where he was born.
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Post by Phil on Apr 27, 2011 13:21:44 GMT -5
I have a Mustang and a F350 Basically the Ford version of your truck I know exactly what you mean. It costs a fortune but I'm not about to be forced into a Hybrid or whatever they're pushing. Battery operated rollerskates. Exactly they want you to drive a 'Smartcar' which would fit in the bed of my truck. What's so smart about that? |
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Post by Jersey on Apr 27, 2011 22:20:40 GMT -5
This is a really good article explaining why the recent hike in gas prices is not only because of the unrest in the Middle East, but because of Obama and the liberals themselves and their policy against American business and the welfare of American citizens. pajamasmedia.com/blog/thanks-to-obama-gas-jumps-in-a-flash/Bush solved the problem, or tore it down for a good while. Obama reignited it and threw gas (oh the irony) on the fire. 2012 can't get here fast enough. |
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 29, 2011 0:08:28 GMT -5
And Exxon makes an apology for record profits again. Meanwhile gas prices continue to increase. That's the same as raising taxes and saying there's a government surplus. There should be if that's how you approach it.
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Post by Phil on Apr 29, 2011 13:30:35 GMT -5
Companies like Exxon could be forgiven for their major profits if they would put some of this money into the economy. I don't have specific ideas but if I thought about it I could come up with some. But instead of us think those thieving illegitimate childs lol and their record profits when they're ripping off a captive audience, if they built community centers, or put out a throw back credit card that whoever purchases the most fuel or over a certain amount of gallons can get a rebate.
I haven't thought about this long enough to refine the idea but that's a coarse basis of what I could suggest.
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