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Post by Jersey on Apr 1, 2010 12:28:38 GMT -5
I love socialism! I think that the government should have total and complete control over the American people. It's the only way that peace and order can be maintained. Gun control? Push it through! Anyone who owns a gun deserves to have it taken away from them, since they never have any intention of using it for protection or something stupid like that. I also love and fully support President Obama, and firmly believe that he has done everything right since the day he came into office. And no, I don't believe that he was elected solely on the basis of his skin color. And ACORN? Nah, they were never meant to be collectors of illegal and fake votes. They would never do that, and its outrageous that anyone could think such an honest and wonderful organization could even do such a thing as provide advice to a pimp and prostitute on how to properly defraud the taxpayer and traffic children. Nope, no way. That could never happen in America! And the health care bill? The benefits FAR outweigh anything the protestors say could be bad about it. I also intend on getting on welfare as soon as I can, since it is most definitely easier than working for a living and making something of myself. I always preferred the easy way out anyway. I'll be heading to San Francisco soon to hang out and smoke pot with my fellow liberals. That sounds like much more fun than doing anything productive right? Just wanted to confirm with you all about what I really am. Later! April Fools! Anyone who has paid any attention to what I've said on this board knows that they only need to reverse the things I said above to understand my true beliefs. Have a nice fools day!  |
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Post by Demona on Apr 1, 2010 13:48:25 GMT -5
That was funny, lol. You must have been smoking weed to say those things, lol!
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Post by Jersey on Apr 1, 2010 13:53:16 GMT -5
That was funny, lol. You must have been smoking weed to say those things, lol! It was a very hard thing for me to type. >_< My brain was practically screaming at me to stop, but I wrote it anyway for the sake of the joke. |
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Post by Kevin on Apr 1, 2010 21:55:54 GMT -5
While we're at it get rid of the damn socialized road system, parks, police, firefighters, post office, libraries, military...
GET OUT MAH LIFE GUBMENT.
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 2, 2010 0:34:15 GMT -5
That was great Jersey. My power was out for the last 4 hours and now I get online and get to see this. I'm in stitches.
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Post by Slayzie on Apr 2, 2010 0:52:24 GMT -5
Jersey, you're absolutely right, except I disagree with you on one point. People who own guns with the intent to use them for protection are the only ones who should have them taken away. People who need them for sports, pest control and the like should be able to have 'em, it's just the idiots who think a weapon designed to cause harm is going to prevent it that shouldn't.
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Post by Jersey on Apr 2, 2010 1:05:29 GMT -5
Jersey, you're absolutely right, except I disagree with you on one point. People who own guns with the intent to use them for protection are the only ones who should have them taken away. People who need them for sports, pest control and the like should be able to have 'em, it's just the idiots who think a weapon designed to cause harm is going to prevent it that shouldn't. People who own guns for protection should have them taken away huh? Guess criminals don't actually fear armed homeowners more than they fear the police then. And I agree with your point that those who need them for pest control should get to keep them. What form of pest control? Criminals. Yeah. Good luck to those that think I would ever give up or allow anyone to take the pistol I will be owning soon. As soon as I have my own place, a pistol permit will be the first application I fill. Before I even buy furniture. |
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Post by Phil on Apr 2, 2010 16:44:19 GMT -5
I have always had shotguns. The right to bear arms has always been a constitutional right. I do realize as times change laws need to change but that is not 1 I would like to see made different.
I guess I'm a bit of a redneck.
I have a shotgun a rifle and a 4 wheel drive.
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Post by Slayzie on Apr 2, 2010 20:39:42 GMT -5
Using guns for self defense is foolish, and more likely to cause you harm than a criminal. Don't be an idiot - if you want to survive it's best to think with your brain, not with your trigger finger.
I have no issues with gun ownership, so long as the reason for it is to shoot things other than people.
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Post by Jersey on Apr 2, 2010 21:41:28 GMT -5
Using guns for self defense is foolish, and more likely to cause you harm than a criminal. Don't be an idiot - if you want to survive it's best to think with your brain, not with your trigger finger. I have no issues with gun ownership, so long as the reason for it is to shoot things other than people. I completely disagree that using a firearm for self defense is foolish. With criminals, I am of the belief that it is kill or be killed when it comes to someone breaking into your home. I decided a long time ago that I will be a gun owner, and that the criminal that breaks into my house and threatens the lives and safety of my family is a dead man. That's called the Castle Doctrine, and I swear by it. In most parts of America (states that don't have it enjoy higher crime rates) a man or woman has the right to use deadly force on a criminal that has forced their way into their property with malicious intent. I would be putting myself and my family at a much higher risk by not having a firearm to protect them. Sometimes, in a highly dangerous situation, you may only have less than a split second to make a decision. I would much rather have my sidearm with me if it ever came time to make that decision. I don't see where owning a firearm puts me at an increased risk. I see it as the opposite; it puts any criminal that decides to burglarize my house at an increased risk of losing something they value very highly. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I will stand by mine forever, and I definitely do not believe that it is an idiotic one. You might, and that's fine, but it is what it is. |
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Post by Slayzie on Apr 2, 2010 23:46:46 GMT -5
Cool.
When one of your friends or family members shows up at your house late at night looking for help, and you shoot them dead mistaking them for a burglar, I am going to laugh my ass off.
I'm not kidding. I wll laugh. Because, honestly, you deserve it. Your "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" mentality is so openly and utterly dangerous, both to yourself and others, that your attempts to justify it are laughable, and the inevitable consequences are laughable.
Just make sure you always have at least two bullets in that handgun of yours - one for the friend/parent/wife/child you mistake for a thief, and one for yourself once you realise what you've done. That way, I can laugh twice as much. ^_^
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Post by Jersey on Apr 3, 2010 15:07:52 GMT -5
I'm glad that you would laugh at a tragedy like that.
But I digress. A flashlight or a lightswitch would be all I need to determine the identity of the individual breaking into my house. I also don't see anywhere in my argument where I say I would blindly shoot someone without finding out exactly what was going on first. And do you honestly think a family member or friend would break into my house, especially knowing I'm armed? Don't be a moron Slayzie. Any family member would call, or knock on the door first. I wouldn't have a problem being woken up by a family member if there was something they needed. We live in the modern age of cell phones. Mine is always on.
I have a serious problem with you saying I deserve to shoot one of my friends or family members. Really, I'm f*cking pissed off right now. That's so horribly sick. We've just went from an honest and interesting debate between differing opinions, to you saying cruel and disgusting things like that. Just because you're against me and anyone else owning a firearm for protection, it drives you to say something like that.
This debate is over. I won't be contributing to it anymore. Especially where you state that I would shoot a child. And don't think for a second I'm conceding defeat on the argument. I absolutely refuse to debate with someone that stoops to that level.
Frickin disgusting.
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Post by Bartleby, the Scrivener on Apr 3, 2010 15:55:30 GMT -5
Violent criminals, the mentally unstable, and those under 18 are the only people who should not have access to guns in their home, that's my opinion.
And on the friend in the middle of the night thing, if it was one my friends they would call me if they were coming over in the middle of the night; if it was a situation where they didn't have access to a phone, I don't know why in the hell they would come to my house instead of the police.
You would like to believe we live in a perfect society where no one would ever need to own a gun. That sounds great in theory, but let's be realistic- it's never going to happen. If you don't want to own a gun, that's you're right and opinion, but you can't tell other people how to live their lives.
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 3, 2010 19:07:21 GMT -5
I hope nobody would just do a Rambo and just shoot an M16 until the magazine empties.
That would be pretty psychotic.
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Post by Demona on Apr 4, 2010 8:11:59 GMT -5
Violent criminals, the mentally unstable, and those under 18 are the only people who should not have access to guns in their home, that's my opinion. And on the friend in the middle of the night thing, if it was one my friends they would call me if they were coming over in the middle of the night; if it was a situation where they didn't have access to a phone, I don't know why in the hell they would come to my house instead of the police. You would like to believe we live in a perfect society where no one would ever need to own a gun. That sounds great in theory, but let's be realistic- it's never going to happen. If you don't want to own a gun, that's you're right and opinion, but you can't tell other people how to live their lives. That's how it's supposed to go, but there are mentally unstable people who fell through the cracks and were sold guns. We definately don't live in a perfect society, far from it, and if it makes somebody feel safer and they hope that time never comes, there's a good reason. Slayer is from another country, so he can't understand how scary some areas here are and the kind of crazy people you might come across.  |
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Post by Slayzie on Apr 4, 2010 8:24:34 GMT -5
This.
If that's what it takes to get you to see how stupid the idea of owning firearms for "protection" is, then, yes, you damn well do. It would be nice if you could realise this without such a horiffic "accident", but you're so gently caressing obsessed with the idea that a weapon designed to take a life is going to save a life, and that you are the determiner of the value of that life that it would take something on that scale to make you realise just how wrong you are.
I live in that society at the moment. In Australia, it is illegal to purchase firearms for self defense and I feel extremely secure as a result. I can't understand why in the aftermath of tragic events like Columbine and Virginia Tech you Americans don't take a hint.
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Post by Demona on Apr 4, 2010 9:18:50 GMT -5
Bloody oath. Jersey's house, for starters. Wouldn't want to set foot in that place unannounced. "Sup mang, heard you-" "DIE BIATCH!!one!"[/quote]
Jersey isn't from here, but I'd love it if you went there and got lost. I wonder what would happen if you were scared and went into the wrong house? You just don't get it, do you?
In 2005, there were 31 homicides in Trenton, the largest number in a single year in the city's history, with 22 of the homicides believed to be gang related.[22] The city was named the 4th "Most Dangerous" in 2005 out of 129 cities with a population of 75,000 to 99,999 ranked nationwide.[23]
In the 2006 survey, Trenton was ranked as the 14th most dangerous "city" overall out of 371 cities included nationwide in the 13th annual Morgan Quitno survey, and was again named as the fourth most dangerous "city" of 126 cities in the 75,000-99,999 population range.[24] Homicides went down in 2006 to 20, but back up to 25 in 2007[25] As of October 9, 2008 there have been 18 homicides in Trenton.
Trenton's mayor, Douglas Palmer, is a member of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition,[26] a bi-partisan group with a stated goal of "making the public safer by getting illegal guns off the streets." The coalition is co-chaired by Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
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Post by Phil on Apr 4, 2010 22:41:58 GMT -5
I'll give Slayzie enough benefit of the doubt to think there's bad neighborhoods in Australia too.
And the universal knowledge that even a neighborhood that does not have a high crime reputation still has potential. We never know.
With that said I think Jersey is partially quoted out of context. He says he would like to have the gun available if he has to react quickly. That doesn't mean he would just shoot at a moment's notice whoever walks through the door. But if it's in his pocket or within reach he can use it to defent or threat.
I have known several cases where posession of a gun is helpful. Some stores owners have worn guns on their belt and that fact alone has prevented robbers.
That's not to say that the store keeper couldn't be ambushed and shot even with the gun but the robbers might consider him a harder target if he is armed. I know for a fact that has happened.
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