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Post by Slayzie on Apr 5, 2010 1:39:49 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. The city in which I go to school, which is only a few kilometres away from the town in which I live, has one of the highest youth crime rates in my state. This article from the local paper also goes to show it's not really the greatest place to life, crime-wise. Yet, I can happily walk the streets alone and unarmed. How? Well, for starters I'm not paranoid-delusional. That helps. And secondly, you can't buy guns for protection here. This means that the people I pass on the street are extremely unlikely to be carrying firearms, and that if some nutjob has a nervous breakdown in the middle of town, he can't SHOOT gently caressING EVERYONE. I can understand your fear, but the solution to it is not more guns, it is less guns. |
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Post by Kimm on Apr 6, 2010 20:42:35 GMT -5
Theres rough neighborhoods everywhere not just in some countries or states. Washington DC is not just the home of the United States President but among the roughest crime neighborhoods in the world.
I have seen the conditions some and even most people who are on assisted financial programs I dont think theyre really winning by not going to work. Most of them live in dirty or unsavory conditions.
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Post by Alan on Apr 7, 2010 0:14:29 GMT -5
I'd feel a little naked without any guns. I was raised in kind of a rural place. We technically lived in the city but I grew up on a big several acre at one time it had been a farm. It was fields and woods by the time I was born. It still is. We have family outings and big parties at my parents land.
And shooting guns for targets was something my dad and my brother got me doing since I was a teenager.
It was usually cans and targets. My dad was very against shooting an animal unless you are willing to eat it. He even used to say "if you kill a squirrel or a sparrow you're cooking it." I never called his bluff on that.
I would not see living on the assisted system as a solution. And don't get Phil started on that.
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Post by Mahnarch on Apr 10, 2010 14:45:29 GMT -5
Hey, Slayer: Those "Split second decisions" aren't really 'split-second'. 1) If I'm laying in bed and I hear glass break; I'm pretty sure I'm being burgled. 2) If someone is trying to kick in my front and/or bedroom door; I'm pretty sure I'm being attacked. 3) If someone is dressed in burgling gear and rummaging through my cabinets/drawers; I'm pretty sure I'm being burgled. 4) Bears.  |
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Post by Slayzie on Apr 10, 2010 18:20:40 GMT -5
Mahnarch, trees, more useful than a firearm.
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Post by Demona on Apr 11, 2010 14:18:30 GMT -5
Mahnarch, trees, more useful than a firearm. No, they're not. That's so stupid. I doubt a bear will lose interest that quick. If there are no trees by the way, you'll just become dinner. |
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Post by Phil on Apr 11, 2010 14:39:54 GMT -5
I think Slayzie means from an environmental view. But Mahnarch is telling us what I hope we already know. That there's some definite signs that you're being invaded before you just shoot and randomly tag your son who was sneaking back in after a hot date you didn't know about.
Slayzie and the rest of us might not agree with the circumstances but we all agree you do have to know what you're shooting at and not just shoot to prevent a disaster.
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Post by Blix on Apr 24, 2010 21:50:42 GMT -5
I don't think there's a definitive answer to this subject. In my country all kinds of weapons are illegal, and we have very low crime rates. (Especially firearm-related crimes)
If Norway was to induce rights to bear arms, we would most likely have a huge jump in crime rates. This is pure speculation, but I hope I never get to find out if I'm right about it.
And: In the states, you have the right to bear arms, and I can't define your crime rates at this point, because I don't have valid sources of information on it. However, I can believe that if you were to REMOVE that right, and pull all firearms off the street and peoples homes, there would be a boost in crime rates!
So, to sum this up:
If you introduce guns to Norwegians: Boost in crime rates.
If you remove guns from Americans: Boost in crime rates.
Ergo: This is a matter of location and environment. Personally, I believe a gun-free community is a safer community by default. But achieving this in a country built on a set of rights that include the right to bear arms takes a lot more than just removing the guns from the people. Illegally importing guns is easy, and it even happens here in Norway.
Just to make my point perfectly clear: I do not like the idea of the average Joe being allowed to have guns, but I can see why removing that right would be an issue. I respect your opinions, all of you, but I hope we can all take the time to read up on the other side as well! I'm going to read more statistics reports until I can find something I can trust, and I want to keep this discussion going on a more serious basis, so that I can get a good grip around the pro-gun arguments.
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Post by Demona on Apr 25, 2010 2:56:45 GMT -5
I don't think there's a definitive answer to this subject. In my country all kinds of weapons are illegal, and we have very low crime rates. (Especially firearm-related crimes) If Norway was to introduce a right to bear arms, we would most likely have a huge jump in crime rates. This is pure speculation, but I hope I never get to find out if I'm right about it. And: In the states, you have the right to bear arms, and I can't define your crime rates at this point, because I don't have valid sources of information on it. However, I can believe that if you were to REMOVE that right, and pull all firearms off the street and peoples homes, there would be a boost in crime rates! So, to sum this up: If you introduce guns to Norwegians: Boost in crime rates. If you remove guns from Americans: Boost in crime rates. Ergo: This is a matter of location and environment. Personally, I believe a gun-free community is a safer community by default. But achieving this in a country built on a set of rights that include the right to bear arms takes a lot more than just removing the guns from the people. Illegally importing guns is easy, and it even happens here in Norway. Just to make my point perfectly clear: I do not like the idea of the average Joe being allowed to have guns, but I can see why removing that right would be an issue. I respect your opinions, all of you, but I hope we can all take the time to read up on the other side as well! I'm going to read more statistics reports until I can find something I can trust, and I want to keep this discussion going on a more serious basis, so that I can get a good grip around the pro-gun arguments. It probably does depend on the place, and ours is scary, and still would be because there are alot of crazy people. By the way, what about hunters? |
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Post by Blix on Apr 25, 2010 3:01:12 GMT -5
Hunters need a special hunting license. My dad has a hunting double barrel shotgun, and a license for it. In order to pass the license test, you have to be in a balance mental and physical state. ^^ Also, carrying these weapons is not allowed within a certain radius of populated areas. (I don't know the exact number though.)
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 25, 2010 22:47:09 GMT -5
There are some shotguns in the United States that can be bought without a permit.
I don't know what the deal is with that but I'm sure Mahnarch or Phil would know the answer.
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Post by Blix on Apr 25, 2010 23:21:42 GMT -5
Don't you find that a little scary? :/ I mean, that means anyone could get their hands on a gun! I don't think it would be to hard for a teenager to have an older friend buy them a gun.
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 25, 2010 23:39:21 GMT -5
I hope Jersey or Phil or Mahnarch can weigh in on this but a shot gun is a pretty good sized and can't be concealed easy. Obviously hidden isn't what you're concerned about its what a gun's dangerous potential can be. I am not missing the point here.
If a shotgun is sawed down even for some kind of convenience that's a felony even if its not used in a crime if I have this correct. Please gun guys input because I really don't know and I don't want to tell Blix something about US gun laws that is not true or accurate.
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Post by Blix on Apr 26, 2010 0:23:11 GMT -5
How does gun registry work out over there then? ^^
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Post by Classicblast on Apr 26, 2010 0:46:22 GMT -5
How does gun registry work out over there then? ^^ In most instances guns have to be registered but I am not the best person to ask because I don't have any guns of my own. |
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Post by Blix on Apr 26, 2010 2:07:49 GMT -5
What I mean is, is it possible to get a gun over the counter anywhere in the states? ^^
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Post by Phil on Apr 26, 2010 13:55:14 GMT -5
What I mean is, is it possible to get a gun over the counter anywhere in the states? ^^ No absolutely not. There's permits and licensing. I wish I had more time to discuss this but I'm dashing off in a few minutes. But it's not as easy as put it on the counter pay for it and go home. I will discuss this in more detail when I get home. If that doesn't happen before I go to work I'll do it tomorrow it deserves discussion but I just don't have the time to explain it. Also each state has its own laws. There's federal laws and then states have their own constitution. Not just about gun laws but about anything. If there's ever a conflict the federal laws would overpower state laws but states have their own policies too. |
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Post by Blix on Apr 26, 2010 14:15:17 GMT -5
That's good to hear!  You know, because of movies and media, Europeans get the impression that getting a gun in the states in as easy as buying a pack of chewing gum at the local store. ^^ I want to know more about this though, so if you can go a bit into details later that'd be good I know a bit about your law system, with the federal being the "sudo" (unix expression) and the state being subordinated. Still, a good explanation in laments terms would probably make it easier for me to wrap my head around. ^^ |
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