Kid Gets Tazzed by Police for Speaking.

[Mahnarch]

I can't believe this hasn't been posted, yet.

A student at the University of Florida was exerting his freedom of speech with Sen. John Kerry and was forcibly removed and thusly tazzered by police.

After the student (sarcastically) praises Kerry about 'winning' the '04 election he goes on to state several facts about Kerry and the liberal college/staff didn't like what he had to say.
They cut off his mic and the police attacked.

The common saying about the First Ammendment used to be:

"I may not like what you have to say but, I'd fight to the death for your right to say it."

Sadly, it's been changed to:

"I don't like what you're saying, so I'm going to silence you."

Watch for yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA

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As a side note:

Those cops are tiny. Attacking for no reason. and abusing his 1rst and 4rth Ammendment rights.

There are, what, 6 cops and a room full of people just watching.
This is how cops want you to behave.
If a cop is beating down an old woman on the street, they don't want you to intervene.

A purse snatcher only has to purchase a costume Police Uniform and he can mug people on the streets, freely. And surrounding citizens will believe it's a drug bust or something relevant.

ALWAYS QUESTION THE POLICE.

You're parent's and the government have drilled it into your head since you were tiny that anything the cops do must be right.
[And, to set the record straight, the government wants all citizens to be dumbed down sheep so they can exert their 'power' over you, so they told your (grand)parents that cops were all powerful, who then told you..... Remember the Boogey Man? Santa? Tooth Fairy? All told to you by your parents, and you believed until a certain age...some of you still do.]

Now, I ask you. If the police were regular citizens (which they ARE) and attacked him like that, would you stand by and watch? Or, would you step in?

If a man was abusing his wife in the mall, would you stand by and watch? Or would you step in?

If a child is beating a dog with a stick, would you stand by and watch? Or would you step in?

I for one would've been on those cops in a heartbeat.
First with legislative facts and, failing that, physical resistance. (because you know if you start spouting off your rights, the cops are going to try and silence you with physical means and call it "arresting you for public disturbance" to justify.)

I hope the lawyers go haywire over this event.
The few individuals (human men and women in monkey suits) just gave every single PD a black eye.

And, I am ashamed of every single person in that auditorium for not doing something besides repeating what the kid screams, "Why are you doing this?"

That's not going to do anything.
They clapped for the kid as he was talking, then they all abandoned him when it was time to step up.

[Demona]

Doesn't surprise me. You can't protest anything, no matter how you say it, for fear of reactions like this. It's bullcrap.

[Classicblast]

Oh
I am NOT a John Kerry fan at all but he really missed the boat there.

This was his opportunity to stand tall.

He could have called off the guards and said something like "I might disagree with what this man says but I'll defend with my life his right to say it.

He could have answered some of his questions and made a little joke for the rest of the verbal rant and that would have defused most of the trouble right there.

That's something I can kind of relate to. I'm not a presidential candidate or anything but people ask you pointed questions. Like "What were you thinking when you swung at that outside curve ball?"

You just answer it or make a joke.

I remember once my friend Carlos got asked "Why did you swing at a ball at your feet?" Well it wasn't quite at his feet but he said "I wanted to be the first to hit a ball pitched in the dirt."

Kerry could have done some things like that and a lot of that trouble wouldn't have happened.

That guy wasn't abusing anyone other than being a bit of a rebel. It could have been handled better than it was obviously they missed the boat.

[Kevin]

Read up, neo-cons.

[Blastgirl]

Good I hope there is more to the story.

I agree with Classic that Kerry could have been more of a leader and that might have defused some of this altogether. But if the write up (and most journalism is "Anti-Neocon," ) if it is true, the student did bargain for some hostility by going to rebelrouse.

[thunderbird]

That video is interesting. But it kind of looks like that kid was asking for trouble to a certain extent too.

I am not a Kerry supporter by any means but that kid looks like he was there more or less to egg people on and enrage Kerry. I'm content that he won' t ever be President. So leave him alone from there enough already.

[grape]

I saw the video. I found it unfair and I agreed with everything he said. In reality, I've always been afraid of police. They're very intimidating and you'll never know what they could do when the uniform goes to their head.

[Demona]

It said he was arrested for trying to start a riot, but there was no riot...

[Phil]

rammsteindragon said:

It said he was arrested for trying to start a riot, but there was no riot...

Absolutely not.
Like Blastgirl and Thunderbird said Spartan's news clip does shed different light on the subject, but what we saw was certainly not a riot by any stretch of the imagination.

[Kevin]

rammsteindragon said:

It said he was arrested for trying to start a riot, but there was no riot...

Or, if you would read, he was arrested for disturbing the peace (a misdemeanor punishable by a short time in jail) and also charged with resisting arrest. He was released the next morning.

[Mahnarch]

Disturbing the peace can mean anything from shoving people to the ground to yelling "Whoooop!" in the center of town.

It's the police practice to apply this charge when nothing else comes to mind.

Technically, walking into a public building and blowing people away is 'Disturbing the Peace', if they wanted to fill in another line.

They can apply it to anything:

Speeding
Shoplifting
Getting cut on the hand at work and complaining about it.
Stumbling and falling on a rug at the mall.
Going, "Yeah!!!" at a football game.

The main problem here is: He was denied his right to free speech.

Not only is it a Right....It's the first one!

Andrew should get compensation for having to spend a night in a cold, uncomfortable cell for atleast 8 hours (the minimum required).
And not money.

If I were him, I'd demand the badges of all those officers involved in the incident.
Not only getting them fired, but giving him the actual badges off their uniforms - the ultimate kick in the gut.

Support Andrew
www.petitiononline.com/andrew1/petition.html

[Kevin]

mahnarch said:

The main problem here is: He was denied his right to free speech.

Not only is it a Right....It's the first one!

Just like these people have the right to free speech:


The opportunity for questioning Senator Kerry had already passed. Andrew Meyer stormed up to the microphone anyway. First of all, he started criticizing Kerry for something that somebody else wrote about him. If I wrote a chapter in a book (as Meyer references) that alleged you ate babies, would someone else then be right in asking you why you eat babies? Why doesn't Meyer ask greg Palast his question instead?

Second of all, why would sSenator Kerry vote to impeach Bush? Bush has not (as far as we know publicly) committed treason, bribery, or another "high crime". It's idiot to ask a question like that. Meyer pretty much just proves he's a douche wanting to provoke and antagonize Kerry.

Third of all, he asks about Skull and Bones. Everything about Skull and Bones participation is purely speculative after about 1971. It's not such a secret society anyways. They may not disclose much, but obviously it is a known entity.

Mahnarch, I propose a hypothetic situation:

Let's say President Bush gives a speech at Ohio State, offering a Q&A session at the end. I, of course, am not the biggest fan of Bush. If, after the Q&A session had already ended, I barged my way to the microphone to ask the President a series of questions clearly intended to antagonize him and then subsequently carried off by police, would you believe that I should be cut off? If I resisted the orders of the police officers, showing physical resistance and constantly not listening to the police, causing a very unnecessary scene and eventually having force used against me to comply, would you be making such a big deal of this? I really think you're getting your panties in a bunch because I just so happened at a speech given by a liberal, and you somehow want to blame it on those who don't hold the same beliefs as you. There were several occurrences in which Kerry attempted to stop the scene, including offering to answer Meyer's preposterous questions.

Did the police go to far? A very good case could be made for that argument. Could this situation have been avoided? Yes, quite easily. In my opinion, the douche got what he deserved. Instead of keeping what was left of his dignity and leaving the room, Meyer decided to take the low road and caused a scene. MMust have been the liberals' fault, eh?

[Mahnarch]

OK.

President Bush gives a speech about Dodge Neons and ends with a Q&A.

You barge up to the mic, cutting off 20 people in the process.
Even though you barged, Bush still recognizes you and you ask him something proposterous.

Spartan: "Bush. You were seen by [newspaper reporter] buying day old donuts at the bakery the other day. Why would you buy day olds when you could have gotten fresh ones? Are you a coupon clipper? Did you clip coupons with Kerry in college?"

It's completely off topic and ridiculous, but you have the right to ask him about it.
How would you like to have your mic cut off for asking about his cream curls?

Would the police have a right to tell you to shut up and go away?
Would they have a right to force you to leave?

It doesn't matter what you say. You have a right to say/ask it.
You could ask, "Georgie, do you like baby seals?"

You have that right.

Also, if a cop walked up to you in the mall and asked you for your I.D. would you give it to him?
Most people would because they're afraid of the police.

In reality that cop is abusing your privacy and you have no obligation to show him your I.D.
Would you show a street bum your I.D. if he asked?
Would you let a street bum search your car?
You don't know him, and you don't know the cop.

If a cop pulls you over and asks for your license and registration, you don't have to show him until he provides a reason for pulling you over.
If you're doing 70mph in a 55mph zone, then he'll tell you and you have to show.
If you're doing 56mph in a 55mph zone, he's just being a wanker and you're within the law, so you don't have to show him - even though he will tell you that you DO have to.

I'm getting off topic, here.
In the end, cops are not your 'friend'/'trying to help you out'/'doing what's best for you'.
They are tricking you into complying with them so they can get the points for taking you in and not worrying about their own safety.

Trust me. I've seen the inside.
You are nothing but a piece of criminal meat to them - even if you've done nothing wrong.