Religion

[Blastgirl]

If it's a LIE it has lasted over six-thousand years. That's a damn long time for it to be a lie. The World waited four thousand years for the birth of Jesus. And the calerdar was written 2006 years ago.

So there we have six thousand years. I can get over it, but I'm a little offended by the term used as "Knocked Up" when refering to Mary.

And there were a lot of young women throughout history who have gotten impregnated, and perhaps not by their Husband even that many years ago. (Even though that problem is much worse today)

So, how come Mary's story sold for over two thousand years if it was only a bluff to make her own wickedness seem more obscure?

While there is a fairly reasonable explanation to the Bible and the Story of the Nativity for those who choose not to believe and need it explained.

Christians/Catholics believe God to be immortal so it would be hard to see Him as someone who lived at one time and has now parrished.

I wouldn't mind explaining the Catholic beliefs in greater detail of anyone is interested but I don't care to go through all of it only for the purpose of arguing a point. I don't think any Athiests so far truely understand the Catholic Church's position. I know a number of such that believe they understand Catholic Faith but I see so many statements from Athiests saying that we Catholics believe something and that's not true.

Most of the time I just don't reply but I would be willing to go through it if anyone wishes for me to.

Now that I've said all that, Hello Memphetic and welcome to Lewasite.

[sasukeandnarutorock]

Actually, a part of my mom's family is catholic. I don't really know what they believe so it would actually be helpful to explain it.

[Blastgirl]

All right. will quote the Apostles Creed and I will say it im my words marked with *

We believe in One God the Father the Almighty maker of Heaven and Earth. of all that is seen and unseen.

*We believe that God created all humans, spirits and the World as we know it(self explanitory.)

We believe in Jesus Christ, the only Son of the Father who by the power of the Holy Spirit was born of the Virgin Mary and became Man.

*With the powers of God's declaration of Mary's Pregnancy Jesus was conceived to be born.

For us men and our salvation he was crusified, under Pontious Pilate, suffered died and was burried. On the third day He rose again in fullfillment of the scriptures.

*Pontious Pilate was the Roman Governor that placed Jesus under arrest and sentenced him to Crusifiction.

*The Crusifiction took place on Friday (Good Friday) and Jesus ascended into heaven on the third day (Easter Sunday) The tomb had been opened and the body had left the tomb. Scripture had promised that Jesus would "destroy and rebuild the temple in three days." Heaven had been closed to humanity by Adam and Eve's initial sin. Jesus's reserection was meant to open the gates of Heavan for the rest of us.

* Jesus's human body could die but his Soul is immortal.

He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the Right hand of the Father. He will come again in Glory to judge the living and the dead. And his Kingdom will have no end

*He will determine who should and shouldn't be worthy of going into Heaven. He will always reign as God.

We believe in the Holy Spirit the Lord the Giver of Life who proceeds from the Father and the Son with the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.

*We believe that the Holy Spirit inspired the ancient prophets to predict the events that eventually took place.

We believe in one Holy Catholic apolistolic Church, and one Baptism for the forgivness of sins, the look for the reserection and the life of the World to come.
Amen.

*The Church is Catholic which by dictionary definition means universal. That means every Catholic Church in the World has the Same scripture readings and the Same Gospel read on a given week. This will be the Fourteenth Sunday of Ordinary time and each Church of Catholic faith will read the same passages.

*Members of the Church are apostles of Christ. And the Baptism if for the forgivness of the original Sin that is placed upon all of mankind because of Adam and Eve's breaking of a rule from God.

*And therefore we believe in Life Everlasting. (Heaven)

**The Church is more complicated than that explanation but that's mostly the Church's position on what Catholics believe.

[memphetic]

Well, first of all... that's neither evidence nor explanation to what I have said, only belief and also the beliefs written down by some clergy from long ago who also believed the lie. Of course the lie still stands today... if they couldn't prove it to be a lie back then, thousands of years ago, how could they prove it today? Case in point, they couldn't, can't, and never will be, but as I said, there was no possible way back then for them to prove Mary wrong.

There are other inconceivable parts of the Bible that I find... amusing (Yes, I HAVE read it). One can be found only few pages deep into the book - God created light and seperated light from darkness on the first day, HOWEVER, it wasn't until the FOURTH day that He created the objects that produce this light (the sun and the stars). Before that, though, on the third day, when He created plants, he must have made an uh-oh because they couldn't produce the sugars from photosynthesis that they needed to survive - we could, I suppose, call this accidental plantae genocide.

Yes, there are many more, but I'm just going to take this a bit at a time instead of all at once to see what you should all say... I'm off for now, I'll check back in later.

[Phil]

memphetic said:

Well, first of all... that's neither evidence nor explanation to what I have said, only belief and also the beliefs written down by some clergy from long ago who also believed the lie. Of course the lie still stands today... if they couldn't prove it to be a lie back then, thousands of years ago, how could they prove it today? Case in point, they couldn't, can't, and never will be, but as I said, there was no possible way back then for them to prove Mary wrong.

I have to disagree with this part of the post. I think Blastgirl did provide explanation. Evidence we don't have but then again neither do you. What evidence to you have that Jesus's birth was not an immaculate conception?

The fact that you don't believe it all alone doesn't make it not true.

I also have to agree that 2000 years would be a damn long time for 'mythology' to still be believed by the amount of us that do believe.

Even the smaller towns in this country have more than 1 church. That tells you that somepeople do believe.

And people who prayed to the stars had felt the presence of someone or something a belief of some type there is a God of sorts even if their teachings didn't exactly follow a course.

[memphetic]

If I tell a lie in which everyone believes today, people will still believe it thousands of years from now assuming the lie is that impactful. This discredits the thinking of "If it's a LIE it has lasted over six-thousand years. That's a damn long time for it to be a lie."

[Kimm]

I think the lie would have to do something pretty amazing to last 20 centuries. Like perform a few miracles. Unless something like that happens I doubt there would be that long lasting legond but you have a right to your opinion.

[Nitro God]

I have not read any of this and but I think this should be locked because discussions like this could leave to racism (or things thought to be racism) and this I dont care if your black, white, a Martian or Mexican and I think that applies for us all.

[im_an_alien]

The old one lasted quite a long time and as far as I knoe no one complained

[Nitro God]

yeh but you don't know.

[sasukeandnarutorock]

How in the hell would this lead to Racism? Nobody but Viper answer this question.

And no, nobody complained in the last one.

[Kevin]

ZOMG religion might lead to racism...

Why should this be locked? That's what this specific board is for: social topics that may be controversial.

[Hatson]

I think it's up to the mods to determine

I don't think a debate about religion would lead to a racial dispute, and if it does that's the mods jobs to say that you are off topic get back on topic and delete the post that could cause the discussed topic to get off course.

I don't see a problem with disagreements as long as noone takes a personal attack at eachother.

[Nog64]

I don't think religion will lead to rascism, unless we open up and Ireland-England debate (which I DONT want to do). The percentage of Muslim or even Jewish people isn't very... stunning. I'd say the only racism that would occur is intra-Christian.

[slippy0]

hey, yo. Felt like sharing my religeos beliefs.

As a man of science (any of you who read the psychic thread know), I believe in the probable, not the hypothetical.

I beleive the universe was created abotu 14 billion years ago in the big bang. The universe is now very big. The visable universe is 28 billion light years across, and allowing some weird things that allow the universe to expand faster than the speed of light, it is probably much larger.

I do not believe in any god of any type. I believe we live our lives how we choose.
The humans are not the perfect race. Evidense clearly shows the evolutionary process, showing we're on our way to improvement, but not perfection.

going back to the probabilities, life is inevitable. It will happen. How it happens is purely chance.
There are over 50 million different species of animals on this planet. Chance happens we came out being more sophisticated than the rest. Just like how Dolphins are more sophisticated than ants.

lets see, what other religious beliefs do I disagree with...

another no god thing: If we are all equal in god's eyes. How come there are some who, though they try really hard, can't get smart and succeed in life. It isn't their fault, but they can't help it.
Their doomed to live an unsuccesfull life working minimal wage.
How can that be sign of a just god?

If its supposed to be like the case of Jesus, these people must suffer for our sins, how would others change their ways? people knew of Jesus (if he existed), His story got BIG (obviosly). But these people, no one knows about them, know one pays attention to them. It would be pointless suffering for no reason.

People like this are caused by unlucky genetic mutations in the brain that cause learning dissabilities. There's nothing "god like" about that.

I'm in a mood to debate, give me something

[Nitro God]

dylan13 said:

How in the hell would this lead to Racism? Nobody but Viper answer this question.

And no, nobody complained in the last one.

I wasn't there then was I.

[sasukeandnarutorock]

Edited by Viper because of Bro_C and his stupidity.

[Hatson]

I guess Viper's answer is from a previous question.

I don't understand bro_c's post very much at all.

Slippy0 I am not clear on what exactly you did mean by a learing disability. If you mean mental retardation or somebody having a hard time getting through school.

I don't see birth abnormalities as being ungodlike unless you mean if there really is a God why or how could he allow people to be born that way

In that case I could see a point. I don't get to church as often as I should but I was raised a catholic and I believe what I have been trained. I went to catholic schools all my growing up years

Anytime something bad happens it would be easy to challenge the presence of a God. God does not promise that there will not be adversity in our lives. But he does promise salvation to those who do the most they can about things.

When terror struck America in 2001. Some people could say there is no god if something like this is going to be allowed to happen. Others could say god gave spared my life and perhaps I can save some others who are trapped or injured but still alive.

There are more ways than one to look at the situation. Here in Canada we all felt badly for the Americans. Until there was a need for help in the war then our wonderful powers that be said we are not strong enough militarily. ANd its not our war anyway.

We should hope that the States would not take that attitude if we were attacked because we would be in real trouble if the God didnt give us the States to lean on.