Stupid non sense crap

[Phil]

Well I'm afraid this almost dignifies something that should not receive publicity but I am going to post it for the sake of needed discussion. A girl and her father got into a struggle. Their dispute stems from multiple things from what I have heard. Supposedly the father was angry that the girl had too much too easy and was ungreatful. I have no doubt there's more to it but I do not know the other details.

Then the father posted a video where he shoots her laptop computer. To make a statement. That is over the top for sure. There's ways to make a statement without something so violent and stupid. The man's point might have been the correct one but going overboard ruins it of course.

Next the girl makes a video response where she has run away and is not coming back. She also mentions dirt on her father and its a seemingly ugly mess

I can only hope its a skit they have worked out and that our culture has not quite sunk this low.

[Phil]

So here we go. Lets assume this is legit for now.

Do I understand frustration? Sure every father does to some degree. His daughter was perhaps more disrespectful than most kids. Did that need to be the solution? I highly doubt it. It has 28 million views though. So if the idea was to gain publicity is sure did that.

[Jersey]

Looks like Phil and I are going to be disagreeing on this particular topic, unfortunately. I think the primary difference is going to be perspectives on parenting, which he had as a father and which I have as a future one. I'll do my best to explain my own perspective, and Phil is more than welcome to post a rebuttal should he see fit to do so.

Tommy Jordan, the father who created the video, has gained a lot of attention in the last couple weeks due to said video. In it, he talks about and reads an extremely disgusting, disrespectful, and ridiculous Facebook post that his 15 year old daughter posted on her wall, which she dedicated to her parents. In it, she rebelliously whined about her various chores that she had to do around the house, saying she deserved payment for them and that she was being treated as if she was some sort of slave. To top it off she said at the end that she will never be there when her parents get too old and incoherent to "wipe their own a**".

Now, Tommy was most infuriated it seemed at the idea that she get paid for her chores. I would be most angry with the last comment about not being there to care for family. Tommy and I are in total agreement on one thing though, which was the fact that she posted this disrespectful message on a public medium (Facebook) and then tried to hide her actions by blocking her parents from being able to see it. She failed to block it from the profile of their dog (silly, yes), and that is how her father managed to see it. To best hear the post without me providing a transcript, simply view the video.

After reading the post, Tommy decided to strike back with a message that would hit home and ring loud and clear that this behavior was unacceptable and was not to be tolerated. After reading it out loud (and visibly shaking and his voice breaking in outrage several times), he rebuts all of her claims and unloads on her about how she has no right to complain about how difficult her life is due to the fact that she doesn't have it close to difficult. I felt he made an excellent point about how her mentality of wanting something for nothing, in essence the new parts for her laptop, a new camera, and other things, was severely missplaced and wrong.

Good parents have some sort of an exchange system when it comes to wanting stuff. It needs to be earned, not just given freely. It teaches the value of a dollar and gives young adults the correct mentality; that nothing is free and the best way to get what you want is to earn it. Tommy had the right approach to this, in that he was actively encouraging his daughter to go get a job so that she could buy what she wants herself, and since she refused to do that, he assigned her chores around the house so that she would pull her weight and earn what she wanted, which Tommy would provide in exchange.

Tommy's daughter crapped all over that when she posted that message on her wall, which was her way of venting about her frustrations. If she had chose to do that in a private diary, that is one thing. But she did it on a public medium, where anyone can see it if they so choose and every one of her friends and their extended families could see it. To me, it's the same thing as standing on a podium in front of her entire school and reading that post. Tommy, as an IT guy, is definitely well aware that the things you post online can remain forever. As an example, this post could be here 10 years from now and it wouldn't take much to find it.

I agree with Tommy where he says he gave his daughter fair warning before when she did something similar to this, and after her grounding was over from the previous incident it should have been understood. But she not only disobeyed and disrespected her family, she clearly knew what she was doing was wrong because she tried to hide the post from her family. So Tommy wanted to send the message in an even louder and clearer manner.

For one, he unloaded a full clip of exploding hollow point .45 rounds into the computer. Obviously, if she was going to publicly assassinate him on Facebook, he was going to assassinate and destroy her means of doing so. Permanently. Or until college, as he said, or when she gets a job and buys a new laptop herself. Since he was the one who bought the laptop and paid for the things in it, it was his property and he had the right to destroy it. Secondly, he posted the video online because since she had disrespected in public, he would post her subsequent punishment in the medium and means she would understand.

She deserved her punishment, and I'm happy Tommy has said that he would do it again. That shows consistency. Does he deserve a medal for what he did? Nope. He is doing his job as a parent, and nobody should get a medal for doing what they're supposed to do.

Now, where things get a little out of control is that the video went viral. Tommy himself has stated that he didn't expect that to happen, but I'm happy with what he's done with the circumstances of it. He is not profiting from the video, in that he isn't making money from it for personal gain. The only money coming in is for legal fees to be used against anyone who might try and rip it off. I like that because it would be sending his daughter the wrong message. The way I look at it is this. Imagine if the daughters post went viral, and was passed amongst millions of teenagers who feel the same way. Because it was posted in public, the possibility of that happening is high, just as her fathers video had the potential to go viral. As far as his daughter running away and posting a video response, make sure it's not some moron pretending to be his daughter and retaliating. None of the news stories I've read about this as recently as a few minutes indicate that she's run away. Instead I'm hearing that they are now able to laugh about the circumstances, and that his daughter is rather taken aback by the people saying she's going to run away, get pregnant on purpose, kill her father, etc. I also believe this whole thing is true, as the truth is almost always stranger than fiction.

In essence, I agree with the father and with what he did. While I may not have posted it online as he chose to do, if I was this girls father I certainly would have destroyed the computer (New Jersey is rather strict in where you can fire a weapon) probably with a sledgehammer and filmed it to show to my daughter. I would then show the film to my daughter, and not only would she be semi-permanently grounded from using a computer for anything besides schoolwork, she would be warned, thoroughly, that of she ever did something like that again that I WOULD post it online. I would then shutdown her Facebook profile with a message detailing to her friends why she won't be posting any longer and the reason why.

Something for nothing is the mentality of the Occupy crowd. As socialists, they feel they deserve to be handed everything they want for doing nothing to earn those things. It can be well guaranteed that Tommy Jordan's daughter won't be turning into one of these degenerates, since she is beig brought up to understand that things that she wants will only be provided in exchange for her own efforts to earn them. That, to me, is ideal parenting. And that same reason is why liberals HATE this video, because it directly contrasts with their ideology on something for nothing and their notion of spoiling the children, in essence permissive parenting.

Tommy's video gives me hope. That there are still parents out there raising their kids correctly. It is because of people like Tommy that America has any chance at surviving. It is also my hope that his daughter grows up and becomes a leader in her community, if nothing else but a future mother that teaches her children that you can't get something for nothing.

That's all for now. That video is permanently in my favorites.

[Phil]

I don't know how you got the impression I would disagree with that exactly. The concept of Tommy's video is not wrong at all in my prospective. In fact Jason will will agree I tell him all the time, you're riding my bike to the store... you're on my computer....I say things like that all the time. I just don't know that I'd put it in a public format like that. But maybe that's the only way he felt he would get through to his daughter.

[Phil]

I disagreed with the presentation not what was being said.

[Jersey]

Feb 21, 2012 15:40:40 GMT -5 Phil said:

I disagreed with the presentation not what was being said.

I figured that's the only point that you would disagree with. I suppose I should have made that clearer in my other post. If I was the father in this situation I would hesistate to post it online due to how quickly stuff can spread. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to destroy my daughters laptop if she did something like that. Provided I was the purchaser and therefore owner, of course.

Like I said, that's where I thought we might agree or disagree. I probably should have clarified a bit better on that.

[angel607]

i think it's horrible that his daughter treated him like crap like that all over facebook. it's very hurtful and disrespectful. I may have taken the laptop and threw it down the stairs. yes after that it should of been taken away for good. she needs to learn the value of working for a dollar. the only thing I have a problem with is that he took a gun out and shot it. if I had kids no matter how old I would never allow that in the house. I just don't like guns. other then that she should be ashamed of what she wrote on facebook.

[Phil]

I do sometimes think life has come a little too easy to the coming generation. I also have to reconsider the idea that our nation was founded on working hard so the next generation doesn't have to. I know that although I believe myself to be a hard worker, I think on the whole my age group has it a bit easier than the last generation. We have better tools more advanced ways. Bucket lifts instead of extension ladders. Cell phones, e mail etc.

I realize when my dad was 40 and working daily if something wasn't where it should be calling a person's cell phone to find it wasn't a possibility and so forth.

And of course there's more power tools and things that make the job go faster.

But at least I believe I have a job to do. I hope the importance of work and the belief that things have to be earned. I think the message is passed on.

[angel607]

i do also think many teenager's have it easy. I know a 17 year old that I worked with in kmart pretty much did nothing. I found out she quit. turns out her father gave her a allowence every week so she didn't really have to work. at 17 if you want money work for it. when I was 18 I worked at Arby's and they did not allow you to call off. pretty much nobody slacked off there. the one manager there was horrible to me and would curse. as of now the slackers I worked with are gone. hopefully they won't hire lazy people for awhile. it annoys me when young people refuse to do anything and leave me doing the work for them. I think it's good when parents teach their kids the value of a dollar and hard work. that way they go into a job working hard instead of slacking.

[Jason O'Lewa]

i think in reality she knew her parents would see the status
i dont think she had the guts to tell them so she put that there kind of knowing it would come back to her dad somehow

even if they were blocked from her wall somebody was bound to show them anyway
thats to bold of a comment to just read and forget about somebody would tell them and I am sure she kind of knew that

i dont think she knew that her dad was going to react the way he did but
i grumbal once in a while
but for cutting the grass and getting my homework done and watching my brother and my sister I have a pretty nice place to live

not a bad deal realy

its a shame this got this kind of publicity but it did so there we have it.

[Classicblast]

Hahah
Sorry Phil I loved that video. I think its hysterical.