President

[Hatson]

I am in Canada but I get interested in American presidents because what happens in the US has some impact on what goes on here.

I am probably for republican because I am kind of a conservative socially and fiscally.
That's not end all be all but I think that's how I stand.

I was kind of glad Obama beat out Hillary Clinton because he is somebody new who is not a politician.

Now there are rumors Hillary Clinton could be his pick for vice president.

I think that would be a bad idea. I think that the democrats made it clear enough they didnt want Hillary by selecting Obama. Why would he pick her anyway then?

What do you all think of that?

[Classicblast]

I'm a pretty loyal Republican. My father owns and now my brothers run a family business and most Republican policies tend to be more kind to a business owner. Not always and all the time though.

I never did care for the Clintons. And Hillary Clinton doesn't have that much experience either. Simply being married to or related to someone doesn't make you experienced. My mother is an English teacher and my grammar sucks. My father built a business from the ground up. My brother Thunderbird is as good a carpenter as anybody can be.

I'm not at that caliber of their field. But neither of my brothers can hit a baseball over the fence either.

I don't see the Hillary Clinton having been a first lady making her Presidentially experienced,. It's not as if she had been the President.

She does have a second term in the US Senate to her credit whether she os doing a good job or not she has had the job for a term and a half.

I agree with Hatson though I think that's a good point that the Democrats nominating Obama made it clear to the United States and the Clintons the did not want her. I'm not sure anything is really clear to the Clintons but that message is whether they admit it or not.

A year where a dozen or so no names and a former First Lady emerge for a run at the nomination. Unless you consider Dennis Kuscinich (sp) a name but I don't. So for namesake at least the table was set for Hillary to be the nominee against whoever the Republicans pit against her.

It's figured that John McCain, Mit Romney, Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee would slug it out hard and long. It's as if you're a team who should sweep the opponent in the semi-finals. Now you need the Yankees and the Red Sox to slug it out. Go all 7 games and have them all go into extra innings get them all worn thin and fatigued spending all the fuel left in the proverbial tank and making the 'world series' easier. Its as if your team is fresh from an easy series and the opponent is going to be ragged from theirs.

So she thought...
Now she ends up losing the shoe in nomination.

To a man who was not even famous nationally or even yet a federal Senator the last time we had a Presidential election. (I think he was a Illinois State senator.)

And what happens? He defeats her.

Like Hatson said I have to believe the reason that happens is that even the Democrats didn't really want her to be the next president.

So you probably wouldn't want someone to be vice President if you didn't think that person can be a President. We all know the saying "the vice is a heartbeat away from President of the United States."

So if you voted against Hillary for nomination I would tend to agree choosing her for Vice would likely turn off the democrats who support Obama right now.

[Bartleby, the Scrivener]

Jul 30, 2008 1:41:04 GMT -5 Classicblast said:

Simply being married to or related to someone doesn't make you experienced.

[Classicblast]

I wish I had time to get in this discussion. I really do. I was literally checking from my locker room on a laptop. I'm literally taking the field in 30 minutes.

Ok here goes.

Possum, obviously you don't like President Bush. And that's all right. You don't have to like him or anybody else for that matter it's your decision.

But that's not on par to what I said. Hillary had no governmental hands on positions at all other than a single term as a senator.

If the point of this picture is to say that Bush had no experience other than being a President's son that's not true.

He had two terms as a governor of a large state. Governor lends itself to executive much more than senator does. And he had 2 terms of hands on executive before running for President.

Even if you feel as if he has been a bad president he had more experience in executive government when he ran the first time than Hillary Clinton does now.

I'll try to get back to Lewasite tonight. I have to hit the field.

[Bartleby, the Scrivener]

Honestly, I don't see Bush as the sharpest tool in the shed.

Gore, a little to crazy for me.
Kerry, dumb-ass.

I see the last two elections as swimming in a pool of pee, then a man threatens to dump a bucket of crap on you. Do you swim down under the pee, or stand up and get covered in crap?

I see no light in the end of the tunnel either this year :\

[Blastgirl]

Wow That's a pretty grim prospective Possum. I have felt that way about Elections though.

[PoIsOnDaRt]

Obama wants change. He thinks we need change about the way we are treating change in this time of change.
McCain? He's probably dead in a few years.

[Phil]

There's no experation date on a person. My father is older than McCain and he is tough as nails.

Also Reagan was a year older than McCain when he was elected to his 2nd term and he lived another 20 years.

Change is sometimes a good thing but not always. Obama hardly lets us know where he stands on things that's what concerns me. Change on its own I guess it just depends what you want to change and if this guy can really bring it about.

Everybody who ever runs for anything tells us how they're going to fix the worlds problems.
My father says things like 'its surprising there can still be any more crime or taxes if all these elected officials have lived up to their proposals.'

[Kimm]

No president exactly lives up to what they promise. It seems that they all promise whatever thinks will get the votes.

Its like there's a percentage of the country that is going to vote democrat no matter who is the candidate. About an equal percentage is going to vote republican for the same reason

The other third of the population is the target for both candidates. Which of the 2 can solicit more of the undecided voters. Probably only a 1/3 of the population. The other 2/3 had made up their mind without following the election they will vote for their party and thats that.

None of the candidates can really do what they say theyre going to. Some think they will be able to but once they find out you have to go through congress and get a percentage of approval, and then since you vetoed senator Smiths proposal he votes against you. Senator Wilson and Taylor always vote together.

Suddenly you dont have the budget for what you had intended to do that helped get you elected even if at the time you promised that you thought it was going to be possible.

I would say that good leadership is not always easy and its not always popular because a leader should take a stand.
Clinton gained a lot of his popularity by taking a stand after taking a poll. But thats not really leadership. However to a generally naive public that probably would just seem that he sees it the same way as the people when he asked the people how they felt before he made any stand.

Thats a wishy washy way to lead though. I think Obama does a lot of the same things. And he is a good rally speaker. McCain is not the best option the republicans had to offer either but I do think he possess more leadership. So I will vote for McCain but Im not excited about him either.

[Blastgirl]

I've thought about Hatson's original question. I think that he has a good point that the Democratic Party didn't really want Hillary which is what shows it is how a fairly unknown man like Barack Obama could step in and literally steal the Nomination from a candidate like Hillary who was felt to be a shoe in.

In fact a year ago the American Media approached this whole thing with almost a "Can the Republicans put a candidate out there who could defeat Hillary Clinton?" I don't think the possibility that another Democrat could win the nomination was even considered and if suggested it probably would have been considered outlandish.

But it happened. So Hatsom might be right the Democrats might not want Hillary as President, vice-President or at all on this ticket.

I don't know how much Americans really vote for the Vice-President but I do agree that Obama supporters may be turned off by a Hillary appearance on the ticket.

[Demona]

I haven't been following things, so I don't know. All I want is the better of the two. Both are already seen as non traditional. Maybe something different can be done and really help out? All I want is for the economy to be fixed and decent jobs for people. Everything just gets worse.

[Mahnarch]

No president exactly lives up to what they promise.

Vote Mahnarch!

I realize the most POTUS don't get to do the things they promise but, I can promise you this:

If I say I want to do "this or that" and Congress says "No" I will call out all of those Senators on their decisions and - if they're decision falls on infallicy - I will call them on 'incompetence'.

"Mr. Byrd! After carefully reviewing your rebuttal on this decision I find you mentally and physically incompetent to hold your position as a Senator in MY Congress.
I'm asking you, nicely, to resign of your own accord, right now.

If you don't, I WILL suspend you from your office until a full mental competence examination can be completed.
If and when you don't pass the test I WILL remove you from office.

NOW, do you vote 'yes' or 'no' on raising taxes to pay for illegal medicine?"


I WILL(!) weed out the elitists.
I WILL(!) get rid of corruption.
I WILL(!) lower taxes and fees/fines for MY citizens.

I don't care if I hurt some Senator's feelings.

I am NOT a Republican.
I am NOT a Democrat.

I don't even really WANT the job.

But, I am an Independent Conservative and I WILL fix this country!



We are NOT North Mexico!
We are NOT South Canada!
We are NOT East China!
We are NOT West Africa!

We ARE Americans!
We like our cars!
We like our guns!
We like our language!

We LOVE our country, we just hate all the 'red tape' that holds everything down (the government)!

Vote Mahnarch in '12!

(You'll recognize me on TV - and by name)

[Blastgirl]

I'd love to see Byrd declared unfit.

The thing is I have thought about this question for a while since it was asked. I still don't think who I intended to vote for would change positively on account of a Vice Presidential choice. But it could change negatively. So I say Hatson has the right idea Hillary Clinton would not be a good selection for Barack Obama but I dont' think Obama's campaign was making that consideration anyway.

[Mahnarch]

My VP is going to be Phil.

How's that fit ya?
Generous, yet strong.

I love his conservative/family orientated/American stances.

....he will be my VP, whether he likes it, or not.


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My first priority is the 'common man'.

The rich/elite can just go f(bleeped for indecent content) themselves.

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