Hillary

[Ordinaryguy]

It looks like Hillary Clinton's quest for the presidency may finally be over. I am very sad about it.

[Mist.]

im not

[Blastgirl]

I'm glad about the idea of her not becoming President. I was kind of scared that could happen.

[Ordinaryguy]

I was actually being sarcastic about being sad. I'm glad too, though Obama wouldn't be much better.

[Mist.]

Nor would McCain....
Were doomed...
I hope Obama wins though, he seems like he would do the best for us out of the 3.

[tractakid]

Remind me, how is Hillary related to Bill?

[Classicblast]

Jun 5, 2008 1:48:36 GMT -5 tractakid said:

Remind me, how is Hillary related to Bill?

They are husband and wife.

What don't you like about McCain, Mist? And what do you think Obama would do to help matters in the United States?

I like these discussions and it's the fact that I take stands on such things in discussion sites is why I don't tell my name. Players unions don't like players being too open about political or social views.

[Mist.]

Tell me yer name and I'll cut off yer balls!!!!!!!!!!!
(j/k)
uhm
well, first off im more democratic than i'll ever be republican.
It's funny, my best friend is republican, but he believes in Obama over McCain.
McCain to me seems like another George Bush... And we REALLY don't need that, look where our economy is heading... McCain just seems like a guy who is big on words but little on action, just like his buddy Bush.

EDIT: for the record, I've done countless discussions over the election in school, it all bores me now so no one should expect anything great from me.

[Phil]

I dare say that Phil Ostrotkiewicz of Bradford over here feels that George Bush was a God send. I really believe wholeheartedly that all the Bush bashers don't know how lucky they are and how screwed we would all be if Al Gore or John Kerry had gotten the job.

Neither of those 2 would have had the guts to side step the United nations and stand tall. Neither of those 2 would have had the ability to move the imminent war to another part of the world.

There would have been many more terrorists acts and eventually the US would be infested with terrorists and the war would be right here on the homefront.

George Bush showed the terrorist world that we have a strong American president and he is nobody to mess with. His reelection in 2004 just about guaranteed as much as possible that another September 11 wouldnt' happen again for at least 4 years. At least nothing that large.

Where is the economy headed? What is the basis for all this talk of a recession and who tells us there is a recession? THe Demorcats seeking the white house? CNN? Ted Turner?

I received a 300 tax refund some years ago, and this year I'm getting a 600 tax refund and so is my wife. Can a busted government give $1200 refunds to a married couple with 3 kids or $600 to all working people if the money isn't there?

Lets say probably not. That makes me think that the money has to be there in order for that to happen. So where is the recession?

Unemployment is at 6% which is the lowest in over 40 years. Even the new guys at work are driving new or nearly new vehicles and eating out everyday.

Gas prices are higher than ever. That I agree with. But otherwise I don't see this economic recession that keeps being discussed.
The above are my reasons to doubt it. But I admit that higher gas prices could bring about trouble in the economy.
Gas prices are higher than ever I agree about that.

As for Hillary I am delighted.

I will be voting for McCain but at least Obama has some new ideas.

I dont' support the democrats on most social issues. I do not support abortion, higher taxes, and the removal of military troops before the job is completed.

Hillary has done nothing at all other than boast having been a 1st lady. The whole running for Senator to make for a better New York was bullsh!t too. You don't run for President after just 1 term and a year if you are in it for a better New York when that wasn't even your state.

But if its your state now see it through. I have a lot of ties in New York my headquarters is inside the New York boarder but our buildings are everywhere. Bradford PA is only about 10 minutes from the New York border.

When Hillary originally ran for NY Senator a NY resident at work had a bumper sticker that said 'I don't throw my garbage in Arkansas.'

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This time around Hillary thought that the novelty of being a woman candidate, name recognition, and the 'experience' from being a senator and an ex-1st lady would carry the day.

She can't believe she is beside herself that the job she was ordained for is not only not going to elect her but they're not going to nominate her either.

Like I said Obama is not someone I will be voting for but he does at least have some new ideas.

2 more mentions.

Senator Casey is a democrat here in Pennsylvania. I voted for him. I like him a lot.
Our Governor Ed Rendell is way out there I didnt' vote for him

Senator Arlen Specter is a moderate republican. I did vote for him last time around but I woudlnt' be all that sorry if he were unseated.


And lastly, Mist you're still my buddy even if we don't vote for the same hopeful for President.

[Blastgirl]

I also think that Bush is a better than average President.

I think at adverse times the Presidential position needs to show leadership and I think Bush does.

I don't know much about the details of the economy but I do think most people are still spending a lot on frills which indicates that they have Some money.

But overall I am unsure on where the recession stands. I will vote for McCain mainly because he is Pro Life.

I agree with Phil on strength too I think he is a stronger leader than Obama. I'm delighted Hillary is out.

[fartinggurl]

I also feel the McCain is another Bush, which we do not need. Eight years of President Bush was too much for me. To be honest, I'm a little disappointed that Hillary is no longer going to be in the running for President. I thought Hillary would have made a good President because, since her husband was President, she would have had a better idea of what goes on, while the rest of the candidates do not, but that's my opinion. I however will be voting for Obama, since he has some new ideas, and I don't care for McCain one bit. Now I've probably made some enemies with my opinion on Hillary, but that's the way I feel.

[Kimm]

You could never make an enemy of me. No matter how much I hate Hillary or Bill Clinton.

The media has tried at every turn to try to assassinate Bush. They did the same thing with Reagan now theyre realizing that Reagan put the end to the cold war with Russia. He also put an end to much of the gorilla warfare in South America. Nicaragua was sometimes called "Reagans little Vietnam." Im too young to know that but Im a history teacher.

I really think had Bill Clinton been a stronger President on affairs similar to terror activity the terror networks would have not gotten strong enough to even bring the tragic troubles of September 11, 2001 to fruition.

No, I cant prove that for sure but I really believe that to be the case. Osama Bin Laden was in custody twice following the 1993 bombings of the world Trade Center that caused damage but did not destroy them. The Clinton administration took little action of any and Bin Laden was allowed free.

When the USS Cole was fired upon, a friend of my boyfriends was on the Cole. He was not hurt though. The Clinton administration took no action on that. Somewhere along the line they bombed an aspirin factory.
Whenever the United States President does not take strong and immediate action the enemy or potential enemies take that as weekness and then attacks become stronger and closer to home.

The same lack of respect was what eventually brought upon Pearl Harbor in 1941. The fact that The US was trying hard to stay out of World War II made enemy forces see that as a sign of weekness.
The Japanese figured that disabling the United States Navy in the Pacific would weaken the US ability to respond in the Pacific. They thought Wrong but they also underestimated the strength of President Roosevelt.

Just as Bin Laden and his masterninds underestimated the strength of President Bush.

Am I crazy about John McCain? No. Do I think he would make a great President? No
I do think he can handle the job, and I do think he is the best of the options that were out there for this years election before the candidates were narrowed to 2.

As for the economy thats never really bad as long as people are spending money. Prices can go up and down but I dont really know how to explain it well.
Theres 2 schools of thought on debt and taxes.
Democrats tend to charge higher taxes to make it look as though the debt is being erased but thats a partial sham because higher taxes is making you pay for the debt its still there in reality.

Republicans usually have lower taxes but as a result whatever is not covered becomes added to the national debt.
Im not really saying that either way is better on that just thats how the 2 party system solves this issue.

I think sincerely when history finally closes on the last decades we will learn that Bush is a much better President than most people think he is right now.

I also think Clintons weakness will be revealed too but maybe not because he is slick Willie. tee hee hee ;D
No, more because I think he was far enough away from the fan when the you know what hit it even though he might have put it there and even turned the fan on.


I would be interested in this. I ask this all the time and nobody really ever has a solid answer for me. What does anybody feel that Bill Clinton did that was so good? Condition to the answer is it has to be his doing.
What decisions did Bill Clinton make that helped America in any way. It could even be a small way. I just want to know. Ive studied this topic for the last 12 years of my life and I cant find any.
I have told everybody what I think Bush has been good about.

[Bartleby, the Scrivener]

For one he tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism. That's not to say he didn't do some wrong things during his term, he is still the only president accused of rape. My views on the Clintons are mixed, but I do feel that Obama would make a good president. McCain on the the other hand, admits he knows barely anything about economics. Something we don't need at a time where oil is about 140$ a barrel.

[Mahnarch]

I'm kinda sad that 'Operation Chaos' is over. - Rush Limbaugh
Also, the 'Stop Hillary Express' is over. - Sean Hannity

I, for one, kinda hope that Barak Hussien Obama gets into the office.
It'll make getting me elected in '12 a whole bunch easier!

I like Bush but, he needs to grow a bigger set of cajones and put his foot down harder on some of the issues.

McCain will be Bush Jr. Jr. but, is that such a bad thing?

Barak's "changes" involve Socialism and 'One World' views.

Hillary being elected would've resulted in the 'Queen Bee Syndrome' - between her and Pelosi.

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Phil.
I'm still choosing you as my first pick for VP.

[Blastgirl]

I want McCain because I feel that neither Obama or Hillary would have been good for social issues.

I don't think that any of them have solutions but they are good at pointing out what is wrong in their eyes.

The only thing that I could enjoy about an Obama election is all the bashing that the liberal Politicians have done with the current Administration it might be good to see that they're not going to resolve the things they criticize Bush for any more easily and probably not as well.

What could worry me though is the next President could appoint one to three Supreme Court Judges and I would hate to have Hillary Clinton's consolation be nomination to the Supreme Court.

[dannyboy]

I will vote for McCain for the same reasons my sisters and the rest of my family will but I dont know if the holder of the presidency effects Dan all that much.

I guess theres many things that are hung on or assigned to the President but how much control does the president really have on the economy? And on taxes. The President can support a tax hike that makes my taxes higher. So I tend to like Republicans better mainly for military strength. I know 3 people who have died in Iraq but I still support the cause because we were attacked at home by terrorists and even like some others said Saddam became fair game because he was a terrorist.

So there is a new government in Iraq. Something that was not accomplished in Vietnam. The Iraq leader is out of power and executed, something that was not done in Vietnam

Some people are comparing the war in Iraq to Vietnam but you really can't do that.
There are 58,196 names on the Vietnam wall to commemorate the US Soldiers killed. Over 300,000 were wounded.

Then US forces pulled out. That's what made the deaths seem like they were for nothing more than the necessity or unnecessity of being in Vietnam.

Yes, 4000 Americans have died since March of 2003. That is tragic. But some progress has been made that we can't say happened in Vietnam because US forces quit largely due to public pressure.

[Mahnarch]

And, the only reason 4,000 American soldiers have died is because of the handcuffs that the Liberals have put on our Generals.

Remember the media article: "General 'Betray'-us"? Where the media listened to G. Petraus laid out how things were going and his plan to free Iraq and the 'MediaMatters.org' website turned it around and prosecuted our brave men for doing the job they were trained to do!