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Post by Phil on Dec 25, 2012 14:55:10 GMT -5
Ok so another sicko kills.
A man called William Spengler sets a building on fire and then when the fire department dispatches firemen to fight the blaze Spengler shoots at the firemen killing 2 and wounding 4 others.
Spengler then shoots himself dead. Spengler spent 18 years in prison for sledgehammering his grandmother to death back in 1980. I say 18 years is a rather light time in prison for killing someone especially violently like that.
I will say the same thing I said about Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook situation at least this ended in suicide to the initiator of the trouble. This way a defense lawyer doesn't make them look like another victim therefore endearing them to some people when they're just a monster that needs to be done away with.
This will at least not be held up for years in court giving more publicity to the killer.
Things have a way of happening in 3s I really hope there's not going to be a 3rd manicure here.
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Post by Kimm on Dec 25, 2012 21:00:07 GMT -5
I just heard about this I guess it happened yesterday but I didnt follow any news. This is insane.
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Post by Phil on Dec 26, 2012 15:00:49 GMT -5
If that wasn't premeditated I don't know what would be. He sets something on fire and waits for the firemen to respond and then pulls an ambush.
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Post by angel607 on Dec 27, 2012 0:51:41 GMT -5
i also think when I read about it the guy had mental health issues. if so what kind of help was he getting when he was released from jail? if he had got life in prision this could of been prevented. I know we have all this talk about guns but maybe it's time to prevent people from reaching out and shooting someone. you take a life there should be no release from jail. I agree that lawyers need to stop getting these scum off on a light sentence. we can talk about gun control until we are blue in the face but if we do nothing from preventing these tragedies there's going to be more shootings. starting with the mental health they shouldn't end someone's care if their health insurance runs out. it also shouldn't be that hard to get someone commited that needs the help. as for the killer I have seen his ugly face splashed across aol news for days. they have to pry and find out all there is to know about some dirt bag that killed people for doing their job. it seems like they make the victims to be just a memory and focus on the killer. I don't think the families need to be reminded of looking at the killer who took the life of their loved ones. but they really need to change the ways of getting people with domestic violence and murderer's off. you really can't sugar coat violence no matter how hard you look at it.
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Post by Classicblast on Dec 27, 2012 0:54:31 GMT -5
That happened about an hour away from where I grew up. Far enough that I didn't know any of the people but that's sickening.
This is a guy who already had a murder charge on his record. I find it hard to believe as if during eighteen years in jail he never had a violent outburst. Then he left a note saying that he is going to do what he enjoys best and that is kill people.
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Post by Phil on Dec 27, 2012 14:09:41 GMT -5
I don't know the details of where this gun came from but I doubt it was issued to Spengler. That means that *If I'm right, and I don't know for sure* that it was obtained illegally. That's to point out harder gun laws would not keep the gun out of the hands of someone like this.
Some people are reckless with a vehicle and use their vehicle irresponsibly or operate it while drunk. That person has their license suspended or revoked but cars and trucks are not outlawed.
I don't like it that so many people think this is a gun issue when its been a madman issue all along.
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Post by Classicblast on Dec 30, 2012 3:55:18 GMT -5
I think Phil is onto something here. Obviously I don't have statistics to confirm percentages but there are certainly a large amount of shootings with guns that are stolen, bought illegally, found or unregistered for some other reason. In that case, gun laws would not change the outcome. Violators are violators because they don't obey the law.
Banks are also robbed often by people driving a stolen car too.
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Post by Phil on Jan 4, 2013 13:30:04 GMT -5
Banks are also robbed often by people driving a stolen car too. Good point. |
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Post by angel607 on Jan 6, 2013 14:54:42 GMT -5
what's scary is the two school shootings in both cases had mental health issues and the guy at the movie theater. we could ban guns but criminals don't obey the laws and will find another way to kill. when I had depression I watched so many people leave before they were ready because their health insurance or funds ran out. I know many shootings is not all about mental health but it just seems to be a lot. also laws for domestic violence need to be more strict. to many lawyers are helping defend people and they get off. but how many women are stuck in a violent relationship because they can't get away. it makes me wonder so much about how much work needs to be done to prevent these kinds of shootings. when people commit murder I understand if it was self defense but if it was intentional they should not go free to do it again.
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Post by Classicblast on Jan 8, 2013 1:24:27 GMT -5
what's scary is the two school shootings in both cases had mental health issues and the guy at the movie theater. we could ban guns but criminals don't obey the laws and will find another way to kill. when I had depression I watched so many people leave before they were ready because their health insurance or funds ran out. I know many shootings is not all about mental health but it just seems to be a lot. also laws for domestic violence need to be more strict. to many lawyers are helping defend people and they get off. but how many women are stuck in a violent relationship because they can't get away. it makes me wonder so much about how much work needs to be done to prevent these kinds of shootings. when people commit murder I understand if it was self defense but if it was intentional they should not go free to do it again. Very good post I agree wholeheartedly. Sometimes I think lawyers its like an elaborate game. They know their client is wrong but their job is to sway the the jury to see it their way and if successful its like an elaborate game. |
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Post by Phil on Jan 9, 2013 14:02:48 GMT -5
There are definitely some flaws in a justice system but it is about the best out there. But yes lawyers job to find loopholes ' like he was picked on in 2nd grade and that madevh a murderer. On 1 hand t is that lawyer'S job but it also clouds justice.
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Post by angel607 on Jan 10, 2013 0:31:36 GMT -5
i know lawyers have it hard because I am sure they don't like to defend murderer's but they need money and it's their job. I just read a story about a guy from allentown had mental health issues and shot 2 people at a new york city subway. the mental health facility said there was nothing else they could do for him. tonight I read a story 20 minutes from my house a teenager was arrested for bringing a loaded gun to Allen high school which is in the bad city of allentown. there has not been much information on this story but it was the teenager's first day. the school said he will most likely be expelled. all I could think of is he better not go back after going in with a gun. a security officer noticed it and reported it. thank god nobody was hurt. I copied and pasted some issues with violence here they had before. Allen has had several violent incidents outside the school, including fights, stabbings and shootings, that have prompted police to increase patrols in the neighborhood.
Two teens were charged with shooting into a crowd of Allen students as they walked home about two blocks from the school last month. A girl was hit in the thigh and a boy suffered a gunshot wound to his palm, police said.
Shatiek D. Ransome of Allentown, who attends Dieruff High School, and Hanson Gordon, an 18-year-old, were charged as adults with attempted homicide and related offenses in that attack.
Two years ago, a student was slashed with a machete during a fight after school and a man was shot trying to avoid the fight. Two students were charged in the attack.
Incidents involving loaded weapons in schools are rare in the Lehigh Valley. In May 2006, a Northampton Area High School senior used a guitar case to sneak a loaded .22-caliber rifle into school and threatened to kill himself. No one was threatened or hurt, but the incident resulted in the evacuation of the building.
The 18-year-old, upset that his girlfriend had ended their relationship and worried he wouldn't graduate because of bad grades, was charged with terroristic threats and possession of a weapon on school property. He was later sentenced to probation and required to undergo mental health evaluations.
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Post by Phil on Jan 10, 2013 15:21:10 GMT -5
When I say we have the right to bear arms that does not mean bring guns to school and shoot your enemy. That is no doubt a problem as all things have some side effects. Most times the crime is with a stolen or illegally sold gun to start with and gun control laws would not stop or reduce that.
Its not legal to make bombs but terrorists still do that. The problem is terror not guns themselves. I wish more people looked at it that way it would be easier to fix some of our problems that way.
As for lawyers its often a game to sell a point rather than seek justice. That's a real problem. But then again our justice system says everybody is entitled to a fair trial and therefore gets an attorney even if its the public defender. Therefore somebody has to do that job.
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