The Truth

[Veret]

What he is upset with is that people continue blame him even after this thread was made.

smashdood2 said:

Sizzle, you've made a gravely foolish mistake in posting this. Something I'd never expect out of you was to ruin the reputation of several people just so LS could know "the truth". Basically, what you did via TC did was ruin the reputations of several non-involved people in the incident. His self-greed in "revealing the truth" was blind.

It wouldn't do any good for everyone to be ignorant of the situation forever, but I'm not sure Sizzle gave this enough thought before posting. The trouble with the information being out now is that not everyone has absorbed all of it, so we are almost worse off than before. Note that several people view the noob squad as designed to end lewasite--this is not true. Some also believe that all of its members are in some way responsible for the deletions--also not true, and it might end up in several constructive members being ostracized. It was to avoid misunderstandings like this that TMTD took the blame in the first place.

phil said:

this question is probably not for TMTD but for anyone who would know why was it so important to frame Classic if it had nothing to do with Classic?

My guess is that a scapegoat was needed, and classic was the most opportune target since he had just been made admin.

[Sizzlepop]

veret said:

smashdood2 said:

Sizzle, you've made a gravely foolish mistake in posting this. Something I'd never expect out of you was to ruin the reputation of several people just so LS could know "the truth". Basically, what you did via TC did was ruin the reputations of several non-involved people in the incident. His self-greed in "revealing the truth" was blind.

It wouldn't do any good for everyone to be ignorant of the situation forever, but I'm not sure Sizzle gave this enough thought before posting. The trouble with the information being out now is that not everyone has absorbed all of it, so we are almost worse off than before. Note that several people view the noob squad as designed to end lewasite--this is not true. Some also believe that all of its members are in some way responsible for the deletions--also not true, and it might end up in several constructive members being ostracized. It was to avoid misunderstandings like this that TMTD took the blame in the first place.

I did give this much thought before posting. Does that mean I didn't make any errors, or leave out helpful information? Of course not. When I typed the first post, I fully expected to see a few criticisms or things I could have added by other members. The whole truth about this situation is very complicated to analyze. That post took at least an hour and a half to write; I had to cross-check all my references for my information. It was like putting a puzzle together with many pieces.

To avoid confusion or ignorance, here are some thoughts that might be helpful.

-The n00b squad was not designed to end (or delete) lewasite.

-Pretty much everyone in the n00b squad is innocent in terms of the board deletions. A few mistakes were made that allowed the deletions to happen, but ultimately it was bro_c's decision to delete the boards, and no one else's.


I should have included that in my first post. While this is true, please note that if I had meticulously made sure that I covered everything that happened in my first post, the whole thing would have taken at least 3 hours to type. Also, I didn't intend for the truth to be entirely included in my first post. I intended for the first post to be an overview, with other members eventually adding their own revisions, until everything that needed to be known would be known.

Thank you to everyone who has helped out.

[slippy0]

I honestly don't see why this is happening.
When someone does something wrond in real life, does everybody in the nation go and yell at them? sometime yes, but does it ever do any good?
never.

Has anyone noticed that all other forums/boards (w/e the other things are called) are going on like nothing happened? its only in the general forum that everyones fighting.
Maybe me ignoring all the problems won't make them go away, but I can say that I feel completelly indifferent to the deleation of most of the forums.

Put simply, I think you're all overreacting. There is no need for "LS V2.0" or any other parrallel Lewasites. I think if people would stop demanding answers to old long dead fights, all the fighting would stop.

Besides, whats done is done, and we can't get back 2 years history, so theres no use fighting over it.

[Kevin]

I think what a lot of people need to realize is this this is a message board... it's not like anyhting of value was destroyed. People are acting like this is a crisis or soemthing. The borads got deleted. Big whoop. Just make new topics and quit complaining.

Also, what's with basically every topic in the General Forum? It's all the same stuff. Is is spam? Pretty much.

[Hey Suburbia!]

spartan said:

I think what a lot of people need to realize is this this is a message board... it's not like anyhting of value was destroyed. People are acting like this is a crisis or soemthing. The borads got deleted. Big whoop. Just make new topics and quit complaining.

Also, what's with basically every topic in the General Forum? It's all the same stuff. Is is spam? Pretty much.

You have made the most sense out of anyone here.

[Phil]

spartan said:

I think what a lot of people need to realize is this this is a message board... it's not like anyhting of value was destroyed. People are acting like this is a crisis or soemthing. The borads got deleted. Big whoop. Just make new topics and quit complaining.

Also, what's with basically every topic in the General Forum? It's all the same stuff. Is is spam? Pretty much.

For the most part that's true. But it's the fact that Bro_C took it upon himself to destroy something we were enjoying and make another person look bad in the process.

You're right it's not as if anyone was killed or injured

But it's like there were 250 members I see that amount is lowered now.

He ruined a discussion forum's messages for 250 people for no reason other than to spite us.

It's as if he crashed a party.

[Blastgirl]

But he did it to be spiteful.

It could be different if a robotic virus ruined the messages but instead it was an act of malicious vandalism. That's the point just as much as the sad fact that the history of the posts were gone.

[Blastgirl]

I think with what is going on in recent postings it is important to remember what started all this.

I am placing it here though out of the way of the main discussions. That way it can be viewed, and the focus remembered.

But I didn't want this to be bumped among the other site topics.

So this is pinned up here because it is Lewasite News.

[Slayzie]

Good idea, Blastgirl. I hadn't read this before, and it's helped me understand things a little better. Pretty much- TC is the most honest guy on LS. I used to think of him as- well- a bad guy, but I know better now.
Bro_C is a dirty sneaky guy who deserves all the flames he's got.
TMTD is dishonest and I doubt I'll ever trust him again. But he did try and fix things up, so he deserves credit for that.
Skier1 and Smashdood did frame me after all, by provoking me to anger over everything they said.
And Cubed's still cool, and I forgive him for everything.
That's my take on everything.

[skier1]

Skier1 and Smashdood did frame me after all, by provoking me to anger over everything they said.

You could say that. It wouldn't be right, though. If you really were a good forummer at the time, you wouldn't have been provoked, and life would continue. The posts weren't really offensive at all, you just took them that way.

[Vanilla Ice]

You were never framed, earlier on Xfire you were saying that we simply looked at your latest posts and pointed out every mistake that you made under the [dictatorship] of bro_c.

You were really not banned unfairly, you post spammed, and created identical topics at the time. You also got off on a rant about Cubed because he had a topic that was identical to yours. I think it was about pets, and you basically ripped the thread (meaningful or not) and then got angry, because one or us pointed it out.

I\'m sorry Slayer, but you aren\'t able to shift the blame in this situation. Sure aen makes a good scapegoat at this point in time. But, just because we existed does not make us the root of all problems.

[Kimm]

Sizzlepop wrote:
Eventually on the ant-eccentric n00b forum, a board was made titled "[LS] Downfall." It detailed how the n00b squad (or some members of it, at least) would facilitate the bannings of several members and cause lewasite's "downfall." Apparently "downfall" was another word for "deletion."


Kim:
Having reread Sizzlepops explanation I am even more bothered by all that took place. I did read it at first but I was more interested in a rebuild at the time than all of the info leading to the problems.
Downfall and deletion means to end lewasite.

If thats what they wanted why do they still keep coming back everyday? If they didnt like it they should go not try to destroy it.

Sizzlepop felt he had grown tired of this discussion board so he placed someone who wanted to participate in the admin position.

These 2 just keep coming back and taking digs at everyone and screaming bloodymurder when they get a negative reply.

Thats a lot like going to a pizza hut and complaining that they dont have hamburgers. A day later you order a hamburger fo r lunch and the waiteress says "sorry sir we told you yesterday we dont carry hamburgers."

Next day you go in and go "Id like a hamburger,"
Waiteress says "We still dont serve burgers but we do have pizza."

Next day again you want a burger and the waiteress this time says "when are you going to get the hint? We dont serve burgers here its called Pizza Hut because our menu is pizza. If they start calling it hamburger hut then we might have burgers but not while its still called pizza hut!"

Then you say "what a b-word."

[sasukeandnarutorock]

kimm said:

Thats a lot like going to a pizza hut and complaining that they dont have hamburgers. A day later you order a hamburger fo r lunch and the waiteress says "sorry sir we told you yesterday we dont carry hamburgers."

Next day you go in and go "Id like a hamburger,"
Waiteress says "We still dont serve burgers but we do have pizza."

Next day again you want a burger and the waiteress this time says "when are you going to get the hint? We dont serve burgers here its called Pizza Hut because our menu is pizza. If they start calling it hamburger hut then we might have burgers but not while its still called pizza hut!"
Then you say "what a b-word."

Sounds like someone's had a bad experience at their local Hut.

[Kimm]

[quote author=dylan13 board=Talk thread=1141509887 post=1146959909
Sounds like someone's had a bad experience at their local Hut.[/quote]

Not at all.

It was a way of saying wanting to destroy lewasite yet coming back everyday doesnt make any sense.

That would be the same as going to Pizza Hut everyday for a hamburger and getting mad when they tell you thats not on the menu.

[sasukeandnarutorock]

kimm said:

]It was a way of saying wanting to destroy lewasite yet coming back everyday doesnt make any sense.

If I had wanted to destroy lewasite, then I would have clicked the "Delete forum" in the admin section when I had the admin account.

[Kimm]

dylan13 said:

kimm said:

]It was a way of saying wanting to destroy lewasite yet coming back everyday doesnt make any sense.

If I had wanted to destroy lewasite, then I would have clicked the "Delete forum" in the admin section when I had the admin account.

I dont really get that but I assume it means theres a way to elminate the site altogether. And because you didnt do that those of us who enjoy this site should be thankful you didnt wipe it out even worse than you did.

Youre probably not going to tell what your reason was but it was probably something in the way of personal satisfaction when members who enjoyed lewasite would come on and see it leveled as if a hurricane hit the town. If you deleted the site altogether it would just show a "That page cannot be displayed" page.

You probably wanted to see what the reactions would be, and you would not have gotten that by deleting the entire site.

[im_an_alien]

Yes there is a way to eliminate the site altogether, if I remember correctly there is a "delete forum" button in the admin section...

[Kevin]

imanalien said:

Yes there is a way to eliminate the site altogether, if I remember correctly there is a "delete forum" button in the admin section...

dylan13 said:

If I had wanted to destroy lewasite, then I would have clicked the "Delete forum" in the admin section when I had the admin account.

Thank you.