hello (at last)

[hitler]

I haven't got a chance to say this but hi

that is all

p.s do you like my new name

[Vanilla Ice]

blitz said:

p.s do you like my new name

Yes! Ingeniously executed with perfectionist quality grammar. Not to mention the triumph of fitting the role with such authentic qualities as the genuine himself!

[Classicblast]

I see we have the Soviets, now we have the Nazis represented all we need is Hirohito and the Allied forces and the second world war is repeated.

[skier1]

I for one was dead before the Second World War started.

So blitz, does this mean that you're pathologically afraid of the unknown, that you failed to take over Germany several times until someone finally handed it to you like a baby, and that you suffer serious esteem problems due to your deformed genitalia? Are you such a control freak that it leads to your own demise? How was growing up as an art student? It must have sucked to make art so terrible that you got kicked out of school, became a bum, and eventually fled your country of birth for Germany. It must be nice to think of yourself so highly that you would name yourself after a failure who couldn't do anything right except genocide.

[Vanilla Ice]

Man . . . Lil' Hitler only got Germany because no one wanted to vote for the other parties, most people had no idea what the Nazi part was. Fall on out, fall on out.

[skier1]

Actually, he was only the assistant to the Chancellor, who promptly died. Hitler was given power, he wasn't really voted into it.

[Kevin]

skier1 said:

I for one was dead before the Second World War started.

So blitz, does this mean that you're pathologically afraid of the unknown, that you failed to take over Germany several times until someone finally handed it to you like a baby, and that you suffer serious esteem problems due to your deformed genitalia? Are you such a control freak that it leads to your own demise? How was growing up as an art student? It must have sucked to make art so terrible that you got kicked out of school, became a bum, and eventually fled your country of birth for Germany. It must be nice to think of yourself so highly that you would name yourself after a failure who couldn't do anything right except genocide.

Don't forget teh VD.

[Vanilla Ice]

I have a bad habit of watching the History Channel when I'm stoned more than free thinking women were when Jesus was alive.

[Jersey]

blitz said:

p.s do you like my new name

Well, when you ask me a question, you get nothing but an honest answer. My answer to this is I do not like the name. Hitler was a terrible example of a human being, so it more or less escapes me why you idolize him by putting the name as your display name.

Now I suppose all we need is someone who idolizes the Al-Qaeda terrorists by putting their display name as one of the terrorists names, such as "Osama". Then I guess the idolized evil around here would be rounded out completely.

And if you guys are doing this as some kind of an elaborate joke, this is not one of those funny ones.

[Vanilla Ice]

You guys, as in all of us with amazing sexy names? Vanilla Ice symbolizes some human evil, (Besides the 80's and Mary J. that is)?

[Jersey]

TMTD, I was not talking to you. I was really hoping you would realize that I was really addressing those with the display names of world evils. I guess not.

[skier1]

Trotsky wasn't "evil," in any sense of the word. All he did was lead the army. The October Revolution was largely carried out without firing a single shot, and the only time he really ordered any head-on combat was during the following Civil War, in which he was just defneding the country from invading foreign powers. After that, he chose to go into exile rather than tearing the country apart in a power struggle with Stalin. If you could kindly explain to me where you see this man as evil, I would be much obliged.

[Jersey]

Why, I would certainly be happy to. First, he didn't choose exile. He was forced out. More specifically, he was expelled. Although he was originally against Lenin and his Bolshevik communist revolutionaries, he reconciled and rejoined with Lenin. IMHO, he was rejoining those who were against the Russian Csar, and it was the Bolsheviks that murdered the Csar and his family in cold blood. That, to me, is an evil act that was unnecessary and cannot be justified. The Bolsheviks also formed the Soviet Union, which was generally evil in the fact that the country starved and killed its own people and eventually threatened the world with it's nuclear arsenal. And since Trotsky was aligned to the Bolshevik way of thinking, and certainly a communist and influencial leader and "sidekick" to Lenin, I believe he was partly responsible for their actions.

Yes, he was one of the leaders of the Red Army, which they believed had to only consist of revolutionaries motivated by propaganda and the use of force. While commander, he instituted severe punishments for desertion, insubordination, and retreat. Penalty for any of these: Death. Basically, you retreat, you will be shot by anybody, even your own fellow soldiers. Terror tactic? Call it what you like. He also instituted a rule that told the military to hold officer's wives and children hostage "in order to avoid defections". (Trotsky later said these threats were meant for motivation and "were not meant to be carried out". Sure.

You were correct in saying that Stalin and Trotsky became enemies, yet Stalin was impressed with Trotsky's terroristic rules of the army and later used them during the second world war, which resulted in many, many more casualties for the Red Army than there really should have been. The soldiers faced the guns from both sides, the enemy guns and their own.

So, in my opinion, (and I have a right to it) Trotsky was evil or at the very least, aligned to those who were.

[Classicblast]

Certain events change allies and enemies too.

Saddam Hussein was an ally when there was turmoil with the United States and Iran. Meanwhile Iraq was at war with Iran and Saddam was then an ally of the United States.

However in 1990 he invaded Qwait he became an enemy because he invaded for the intention of seizing the Middle East.

My brother was in that war. My brother Thunderbird on this board hopefully he will comment on that.

So Saddam didn't start off as an enemy of the United States but he ended up as one.

[hitler]

so that means saddam, pil pot, hitler and stalin are all mass murderers

[Jersey]

Yes, they were mass murderers. Here are the death totals those men were resposible for.

Adolf Hitler. Deaths: 60 million. Mostly due to him starting WWII. He also "exterminated" 6 million of that total in the Jewish concentration camps. The camps also housed homosexuals, gypsies, and other groups who he considered undesirable.

Pol Pot. Deaths: One to three million (or between a quarter and a third of the country's population).

Saddam Hussein. Deaths: 2 million people, including the Kurds he gassed. He was convicted and hanged for mostly this reasons, as well as crimes against humanity.

Stalin. Deaths: 20 million, with 14 of that due to starvation within the Soviet Union.

Well now, I certainly think that those statistics definitely qualify those men as mass murderers.

[Phil]

They sure do.

What about Ghenges Khan he was kind of brutal too, but I'm not up on my Mongolian History.

PS I'm sure that his name is not spelled right.

[hitler]

skier1 said:

I for one was dead before the Second World War started.

So blitz, does this mean that you're pathologically afraid of the unknown, that you failed to take over Germany several times until someone finally handed it to you like a baby, and that you suffer serious esteem problems due to your deformed genitalia? Are you such a control freak that it leads to your own demise? How was growing up as an art student? It must have sucked to make art so terrible that you got kicked out of school, became a bum, and eventually fled your country of birth for Germany. It must be nice to think of yourself so highly that you would name yourself after a failure who couldn't do anything right except genocide.

yes, pretty much so, yes