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Post by Peon on Oct 12, 2013 16:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by Beangirl on Oct 13, 2013 12:54:29 GMT -5
Great video.. "Someone needs to pay? " for her 15 kids? Who's responsibly is that? Hers? Sheesh! |
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Post by Beangirl on Oct 13, 2013 12:59:28 GMT -5
So the food stamp program EBT was down yesterday. It was a computer glitch. I am cashiering and here comes a "tweeker" (high on meth) she wants a bottle of water and try's to use her EBT card. We tell her she can't and she gets mad. Here she is on food stamps and is higher than a kite.I Guess she has money for drugs.  |
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Post by Phil on Oct 13, 2013 15:02:33 GMT -5
Of course 15 kids, 10 of them with a man who ends up being a convict. It takes at least 9 to 12 years to have 10 kids and that would be wasting no time whatsoever and having conception immediately and she looks to be about 38 maybe so that means with 15 kids she started having them at 15. When does that responsibility kick in?
When is it not the system's responsibility? And when does someone who had not only a total of 15 kids but 10 with 1 man who is a convict does she ever realize he might not be Mr Rogers? I mean in over a decide that it takes to have this many kids together hasn't he shown signs that he might not be so great?
If he ends up being arrested for embezzlement or for tax evasion its a bit more possible he acted well and didn't have any signs of being a prison candidate. *but at least then he'd be able to support a family*
So in the end who puts us in these positions? We do!
Sometimes we hopefully learn from our mistakes and therefore don't repeat them. And the welfare system has failed this woman?
With 15kids who are not able to be fed or have shoes living in a 2 bed motel room.
Those are the people the rest of us are taxed to support too.
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Post by Kimm on Oct 13, 2013 16:10:55 GMT -5
I cant believe that video. wow.
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Post by Phil on Oct 14, 2013 13:58:22 GMT -5
There's more of that than makes the news too. Such people are actually partially a 'victim' though.
The old adage 'give a man a fish and feed him for today, but teach him to fish and feed him for life.'
The system fails people sometimes by making them dependent upon being fed and they never learn to pave their own roads.
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Post by Jason O'Lewa on Oct 15, 2013 16:51:33 GMT -5
We talked about this in school. When do they draw the line?
Most times the system gives more money for each kid until there a certain age.
My dad works a lot of hours thats what we live on.
my mom works too but not 20 hours a week more like 25.
There's the 2 of them and 3 of us, myself my brother Eric and my sister Emily.
Ok, so if they have another kid or 5 more kids we don't get more money. We have to split the household income more thin to support the new babies, I am 16 I can go to work if that had to happen. But this Polish Pennsylvania family would have to find a way to bring in more money if my mom and dad have more kids not we get more from the system. Even my parents who work can't go to work and say
can I have a raise we had another baby
They have to figure out how much each week needs to be set aside to support the new baby or find a way to bring in more money its not their work's responsibility to pay them more because they had a new baby
So why does welfare give you more if their people have more kids?
I am not here to argue if these people needed welfare or not. I am not arguing if they had a right to welfare or anything like that. I am just saying that if they are issued an amount whatever more needed is on them to figure out.
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Post by angel607 on Oct 15, 2013 18:36:35 GMT -5
wow someone needs to pay for her 15 kids? she should of not made that many in the first place if she can't afford to raise one. she could of gave them up for adoption and let them have a better life then what they have now. so many women who can't conceive would do anything to have a child. and beangirl this is why I am all for drug testing on welfare people. if you have the money for drugs then you have money to pay for your own stuff. one who can't afford things drugs should not be on your list of priorities.
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Post by Kimm on Oct 16, 2013 16:18:26 GMT -5
Theres tee shirts out there that say if you can afford beer, tobacco or drugs you dont need our money.
I firmly believe that.
I agree with Jason we need some programs but not to take advantage of them or to have more kids to increase our welfare amounts too. I think a maximum is a good idea
I also like what you said about how your family has an income based on what your mom and what your dad make and whether they have three kids or 15 thats what income they have to support the family with.
That is the whole debate in a nutshell to me.
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Post by Classicblast on Oct 16, 2013 22:56:19 GMT -5
There's too much of that. That was just one story that got publicity its just unbelievable that can happen this day and age. And then others wonder why or how the country is out of money. Multiply this case by the many and there's part of the answer.
I have neighbors who receive food stamps.
I really can't imagine why. I live in a decent neighborhood. My house is only about ten years old my brother and our family business built it. The other surrounding houses are in our subdivision are around the same age and I've always made a respectable living. I didn't play in the majors and didn't see the contracts Alex Rodriguez did but I can't sneeze at what I was paid and I have a nice job now.
My neighbors are in a proportional income range and are not in need of food stamps. How they got them I will never know but that's government supported groceries where its not needed once again.
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Post by eric2003 on Oct 22, 2013 21:57:58 GMT -5
you cant just take things if you dont need them.
its important to save your money and buy things when you have enough saved.
money is not manufactered or it does not grow on trees either. someone has to pay for everything and raise the money not just have taxes pay for it all
if they do that taxes go up.
i dont know why that is hard to udnersrstand
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Post by Classicblast on Oct 23, 2013 0:12:34 GMT -5
That's a snazzy truck you have in that avatar of yours. Good to see Eric back with us for now. It looks as if the post times are a bit late for someone your age though. We aren't going to tell Phil. He will never find out.
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Post by Phil on Oct 23, 2013 13:38:19 GMT -5
you cant just take things if you dont need them. its important to save your money and buy things when you have enough saved. money is not manufactered or it does not grow on trees either. someone has to pay for everything and raise the money not just have taxes pay for it all if they do that taxes go up. i dont know why that is hard to udnersrstand Well I am pleased to see some of the supper table discussions sinking in. I am proud to say that the value of money was learned early so far with my children. And trying to save some and not spend absolutely all their money. I am pleased about that. Posted by Classicblast on Today at 0:12 That's a snazzy truck you have in that avatar of yours. Good to see Eric back with us for now. It looks as if the post times are a bit late for someone your age though. We aren't going to tell Phil. He will never find out. Yes Classic, Eric started saving money when he was about 5 to buy that truck. *wink* I think that posting time of day was a product of a new Ipad, and his mother going to bed a bit early, and his father just about on the way to work at that time. But he woke up for school no problem so no worries. lol |
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Post by Kimm on Oct 23, 2013 20:59:05 GMT -5
I never was too good at saving. I want everything and I cant afford it all.
But I dont short myself on my bills.
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Post by Phil on Oct 24, 2013 14:03:05 GMT -5
Its a juggling act. If you're too cheap you do short yourself from enjoying some of life's privileges. But you don't want to be a drunken sailor. My wife and I usually have figured out where each bill is going to come from what check. Once in a while something spontaneously comes up and we can manage it if it doesn't happen all the time.
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Post by Classicblast on Oct 25, 2013 1:11:00 GMT -5
I relate I'm kind of cheap.
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Post by Phil on Oct 30, 2013 15:25:03 GMT -5
I relate I'm kind of cheap. There's varying degrees though. Cheap is to really actually deprive quality of things that's bad because you deprive yourself of useful quality. Frugal as in being careful not to waste, there's nothing wrong with that. If our government took a more frugal approach the nation as a whole would be in better shape. They cold start by staying at Howard Johnson's when it doesn't need to be the Waldorf. They could drive a Chevy instead of a Rolls Royce too. |
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