Oh Kay This is a bad 1.

[Phil]

Yes this happened. Last night I got into a fist fight at work. Yes that is against policy.

A division of CSX not Penn York sent these twins who are 23 years old. They are on parole. They're rooftop workers with another CSX sub company sent here for the last 3 months to work with us at Penn York. They're from Pittsburgh. They came in around Memorial Day to be with us for an indefinite period of time. Around the 4th of July 1 of the twins violated Parole and was sent back to Pittsburgh spent 7 weeks back in prison was given another chance it was supposed to be 4 months for parole violation but since he had employment they let him out in 7 weeks.

So as of about Labor Day the twins are back. There's less people on overnight shift, meaning that management can work more personally with them and there's less attention to the fact that we have ankle bracelet guys on the crew. The extended crew that is.

It was also figured that most of the things cons get into that's bad happens between 10pm and 3am so if they work 11pm to 7am the opportunity to burglarize and do crack isn't there. *someone Else's logic not mine*

Well 1 of the twins was in banter with a younger kid that's on our crew. The 19 year old was probably in the twin's mind a easy target to bully. A 19 year old kid who comes from middle class up bringing a bit unworldly at this point.

The twins are Adam and Andrew. So I can tell this story properly but 1st names only here.

So Cody the 19 year old unworldly perhaps but certainly not a doormat. Tells Adam 'You've been on my case for 2 months I barely even talk to you, what's your problem with me?'

Adam 'You're a goody everything is given to you you don't know life. Your mom packs your lunchbox for gods sake"

Cody 'How do you know who makes my lunch? Forget it I'm not going to argue, you're too ignorant to talk to I'll just stay away from you.'


About an hour later Cody walked by Adam and Adam said something I didn't hear what he said but I heard him talk and chuckle and Cody told him 'If my life was like yours I wouldn't dare laugh at anybody.'

Adam got in his face and Andrew approached too Adam shoved Cody and Cody wanted back at him. Our foreman Brian came over to get between them and Andrew shoved Brian! Ok you do not touch the boss.

I grabbed Andrew ran him into the wall and started pounding him. I punched him at least 7 or 8 times and Adam punched me in the side of the face.

It shook me a little but not enough to cause me to let go of his brother and since Adam was tackled by 2 or 3 other guys and I couldn't get back at him I slugged Andrew another 5 or 6 times. Andrew still had a grip of my shoulder and lower neck while this went on.

The railroad police came and we're all written up.

It probably will not stick though.

Brian is the foreman he's 30 or 31 he has 11 years with the company.

I am the associate foreman I'm 40 and I have 21 years with the company, the others involved are around 34 with at least 12 years. The only new guy is Cody.


The twins are not Penn-York workers they're CSX on loan I'm not sure what division they're assigned to regularly maybe none maybe CSX is trying to place them. I don't know what their story is but this should be a violation of their parole.

Adam proceeded to tell me that I'm lucky I didn't do that to him because he's tougher than his twin. They're both pretty hardened actually. I gotta admit I'm not a small guy and I hit that guy at least 12 times overall and it didn't phase him all that much. At least he was willing to keep fighting if there weren't so many people holding everybody off.

It was ugly.

Brian made a statement that if those 2 are not let go he will resign. I am making that same consideration. Even after 21 years I am not all that excited about quitting a job during a recession but this is more than just something that comes with the territory.

Those 2 are the lowest of the low they're like the hardened crap found on a public toilet seat!

[Jersey]

Kick-ass Phil. It's comforting to know that there's still people out there that still have the guts to teach punks like them lessons through the only way they understand. I'm sure the side of your face is sore, but if each of those punches you landed had anything behind it (which I'm 100% positive they did), he's feeling it a heck of a lot worse than you are. I wouldn't worry about anything sticking as far as the write up is concerned.

Oh, by the way.

"Brian is the foreman he's 30 or 31 he has 11 years with the company.

I am the associate foreman I'm 40 and I have 21 years with the company."

Fixed that for you. At least the way I feel it oughta be.

"I am the foreman I'm 40 and I have 21 years with the company.

Brian is the associate foreman he's 30 or 31 he has 11 years with the company."

[angel607]

omg wow phil. those twins should of thought about living their life and turning it around. not going after innocent people. I am glad you punched him after what he did. I think your foreman brian will be happy to know you defended him after he was assualted and punched. that was a horrible thing they did to the 19 year old. to say that was uncalled for. some people would sit by and do nothing but I am glad you stepped in. you did the right thing. when I saw your status I thought maybe some guy was slacking at work and mouthed off to you.

[Classicblast]

Holy Toledo I wasn't expecting this. I have no doubt Phil could hold his own if he needs to, but I still wasn't ready for a story like this.

Again to compare what I've seen its not unusual for guys in their early twentys to look for a pecking order. I saw it for fifteen years in baseball. A "veteran marks his territory" with rookies.

I don't really know the circumstances in Phil's work but I've read before your employed by Penn-York that is a sub company of CSX railroad. I happen to know CSX railroad serves the Eastern United States and there's a lot of companies that are under the parent heading. That's not too different from sports The Dodgers might have contracts of players who play for their AAA affiliate, a AA affiliate and even some rookie league players but the Dodgers could reassign such a player anytime. I think Phil has explained that CSX can do that too with their staff they can assign you to a different division for a time.

From what this post tells I would guess that if they're from Pittsburgh and working near Bradford there's a reason they were sent away from Pittsburgh. That is unless its common procedure to trade personnel for various jobs.

Or someone in Pittsburgh wanted those two gotten rid of and the union wouldn't let them get fired so they had to stay in the state so they sent them to a smaller place hoping they could stay out of trouble.

If the one went back to prison for a four month sentence reduced to 7 weeks there has to be some violation of parole to get into a fight for any reason. I doubt the parole board cares if you were sticking up for your mother if you get in a fight under conditions like this. Bring let out early you have to be on a short enough chain that this constitutes violation.

[Phil]

There's a hearing date set to see if Brian, Cody, myself and the rest of the crew should be discharged.

Its doubtful the hearing will actually take place. Those 2 twins are already placed out of the crew. Classic you're right its not uncommon for laborer members of CSX to be placed where ever they're needed. Those guys are just grunt. Carry shingles up a ladder cans of paint whatever. They are not skilled repairmen.

Of course Brian the foreman wasn't coming to fight he was for sure coming to spread those guys from going at it.

So what would be the reason to shove Brian. I know he will say 'I thought he was going to hit me' But he didn't think that! The truth is he didn't want Brian to stop his brother from hitting the kid.

I would never get into it that way but once the boss was attacked the rules went away and yeah I probably could have done less but that sonofaHillary Clinton had it coming.

Yeah the side of my face is a bit sore but I'll be fine.

So what would be real reasons for Andrew to push Brian down? *not what reasons he is going to use when quizzed*
1. Brian was going to stop Adam from hitting the kid and Andrew wanted Adam to hit the kid.
2. To show Brian that he doesn't respect his authority.
3. Ignorant tough seems to think that if he will attack the person in charge it shows the rest of us that he his toughness over rules rank. *awkwardly put I don't know how to sum it up in print*

What happens though is there's something that happens in low mentality and low society. They mistake lack of respect for courage. Addressing a foreman with disrespect is not guts, its not bravery its ignorance!

The fact that they've been imprisoned is ignorance not toughness.

There have been other runins not this severe but they 'forget' simple things. Steele towed shoes, vests, hardhats.

Just for record there's different dressings for different events. If we work outside within 500 feet of the street orange vests are worn. If we do construction hard hats are worn. Yellow hardhats for outside work white hardhats for inside work or painting. Red hard hats for working on tracks. That's why in 1 of my videos I showed the different hard hats. they all are for a different use.

Most often its yellow hard hat orange vest.
A few weeks ago Brian scolded them for not having the right stuff. They said things like 'we were at a birthday party for my uncle until just before 11 o'clock and didnt have time to go home and get the ...."

Brian tells them ' you knew you had to work tonight at 11pm put it in your van before you go to the party!'

There were a few other things like that.
They keep telling Brian he is 'on their case.'

Its time to get rid of those guys I am sure Classic is right it has to be a violation of Andrew's parole. I think Adam's parole expired recently. They're the bottom of the barrel for sure.

[Beangirl]

Oh God Phil that just reads "Awful". I hope you are not punished. I think what you did was courageous. I have been bullied since the first grade. Not to mention being bullied by my former dept. manager . I just hate it. You taught that thug a lesson. I am proud of you for that ,

[Phil]

There's not going to be any trouble over this. The top powers met with Brian and I right after our shift saying our obligation is to the crew and those twins were menacing to the crew and we can do whatever we deem necessary to defuse these things.

The twins are gone from the company more than likely the 1 if not both will be sent back to prison because getting into a fight for any reason is a violation of parole but there's some kind of hearing its not as automatic as he goes back to prison.

We are rid of them though.

The division has mandated that for the next period of time if our crew is placed on a job off the yard that 2 railroad police will be assigned to our crew. The reason being that the twins are just nuts enough to follow our trucks and wait for us at a job site and reopen this.

I don't know that that would really happen but Penn-York is mandating this for the time being.

[Beangirl]

That is so great to hear. ;D I bet you are relieved. Those two thugs deserve a trip back to the slammer. How is your face feeling?

[Phil]

I'm fine. I don't know what is going to happen with those 2 but that whole parole thing is part of the problem I think they've learned that if you say the right things you can avoid maximum repercussions.

It looks like the company is going to just forget about any involvement concerning Brian and I at all. No discussion is scheduled at all. That's not to say it can't reopen but so far nothing.

I think its a little stupid that a railroad police man is going to have to be stationed where we are working but I get it. Those 2 are just ignorant enough to show up and start it up again. I think the 1 will be back in the joint for a time since his parole was not up. I think the other guys parole has been up for a while so he can do whatever but I am told that there's still a probationary time. I'm not a cop or a lawyer but that's what I am told.

But the crew is happy to be rid of those 2.

[Demona]

Oct 11, 2011 13:20:46 GMT -5 Phil said:

Yes this happened. Last night I got into a fist fight at work. Yes that is against policy.

A division of CSX not Penn York sent these twins who are 23 years old. They are on parole. They're rooftop workers with another CSX sub company sent here for the last 3 months to work with us at Penn York. They're from Pittsburgh. They came in around Memorial Day to be with us for an indefinite period of time. Around the 4th of July 1 of the twins violated Parole and was sent back to Pittsburgh spent 7 weeks back in prison was given another chance it was supposed to be 4 months for parole violation but since he had employment they let him out in 7 weeks.

So as of about Labor Day the twins are back. There's less people on overnight shift, meaning that management can work more personally with them and there's less attention to the fact that we have ankle bracelet guys on the crew. The extended crew that is.

It was also figured that most of the things cons get into that's bad happens between 10pm and 3am so if they work 11pm to 7am the opportunity to burglarize and do crack isn't there. *someone Else's logic not mine*

Well 1 of the twins was in banter with a younger kid that's on our crew. The 19 year old was probably in the twin's mind a easy target to bully. A 19 year old kid who comes from middle class up bringing a bit unworldly at this point.

The twins are Adam and Andrew. So I can tell this story properly but 1st names only here.

So Cody the 19 year old unworldly perhaps but certainly not a doormat. Tells Adam 'You've been on my case for 2 months I barely even talk to you, what's your problem with me?'

Adam 'You're a goody everything is given to you you don't know life. Your mom packs your lunchbox for gods sake"

Cody 'How do you know who makes my lunch? Forget it I'm not going to argue, you're too ignorant to talk to I'll just stay away from you.'


About an hour later Cody walked by Adam and Adam said something I didn't hear what he said but I heard him talk and chuckle and Cody told him 'If my life was like yours I wouldn't dare laugh at anybody.'

Adam got in his face and Andrew approached too Adam shoved Cody and Cody wanted back at him. Our foreman Brian came over to get between them and Andrew shoved Brian! Ok you do not touch the boss.

I grabbed Andrew ran him into the wall and started pounding him. I punched him at least 7 or 8 times and Adam punched me in the side of the face.

It shook me a little but not enough to cause me to let go of his brother and since Adam was tackled by 2 or 3 other guys and I couldn't get back at him I slugged Andrew another 5 or 6 times. Andrew still had a grip of my shoulder and lower neck while this went on.

The railroad police came and we're all written up.

It probably will not stick though.

Brian is the foreman he's 30 or 31 he has 11 years with the company.

I am the associate foreman I'm 40 and I have 21 years with the company, the others involved are around 34 with at least 12 years. The only new guy is Cody.


The twins are not Penn-York workers they're CSX on loan I'm not sure what division they're assigned to regularly maybe none maybe CSX is trying to place them. I don't know what their story is but this should be a violation of their parole.

Adam proceeded to tell me that I'm lucky I didn't do that to him because he's tougher than his twin. They're both pretty hardened actually. I gotta admit I'm not a small guy and I hit that guy at least 12 times overall and it didn't phase him all that much. At least he was willing to keep fighting if there weren't so many people holding everybody off.

It was ugly.

Brian made a statement that if those 2 are not let go he will resign. I am making that same consideration. Even after 21 years I am not all that excited about quitting a job during a recession but this is more than just something that comes with the territory.

Those 2 are the lowest of the low they're like the hardened crap found on a public toilet seat!

Woah...yeah. I can understand being written up because fighting on the job is a no-no. I can also understand you and Brian doing what you had to do. There is no place for troublemakers that bad, and I'm sure they will be in and out of prison like it has a revolving door the rest of their crappy lives. This reminds me of a story that happened a couple years back at work. There was this one creep we had who, to put it mildly, wasn't all there. He'd been in prison too by the way, I just don't know how recent prior to him being hired that was. He liked to run his mouth and pick fights, but the final straw was the night he just couldn't help himself and went after someone. At the time the way Saturday nights ran was some of us on the machine, some of us at the tables across the room putting paper together by hand. Him and the dude he had the fight with started off down there because he decided to start with this namecalling crap. The guy on the receiving end walked away to switch places with the stacker I think, just to not be around him. Well, he followed him down there and starts up again. The crew leader comes in and she shoves a table between them both, as the troublemaker is throwing punches over her arm, while the other one is trying to back away. Both were sent home, but the one who started it was canned. I think if the idiot had hit our crew leader, the guy next to me would have rushed in and it would not have been pretty. Second chances are a good thing, but I think there should be proof someone has honestly made a few changes before that's given. I just hope in the future the company you work for is smarter about who they take.

[Kimm]

Oh yeah, what did finally happen to those scums? I havent commented here previously but I remember the facebook chat about it.

[Blastgirl]

Oh my goodness.

I haven't read as much lately I haven't done as much on line time as I had before my Boys got a bit older and need more of my time

I am glad you weren't hurt Phil. I can't believe a company like yours that is hard to get a job with would have ex-cons in the company.

I don't mean to be nosy but I'd love to know the upshot of this.

[Phil]

Oct 31, 2011 2:23:12 GMT -5 Blastgirl said:

I don't mean to be nosy but I'd love to know the upshot of this.

So far there hasn't been 1.

Those guys are terminated. The talk is the 1 that's still on parole is likely to be sent back to prison pending a hearing but depending on the hearing that might not happen its up to the judge. I might or might not be asked to attend the hearing since he is the guy on parole that our input might not matter the bottom line being he got in a fight while on parole and reasons why are immaterial.

Nothing is going to happen to me, or Brian or Cody though.

[angel607]

i am glad they are terminated and nothing will happen to you guys. I hope in the future they will be very careful who they take in with a record. it would be scary if they had weapons like a knife on them.

[thunderbird]

That has to be a violation of parole to fight. How do scum like that even get a job with CSX railroads? Those are very competitive jobs to get.

[Phil]

You're right job applications are by referral only, but there are ways. In fact this is how I got started. CSX takes a temp program. No union, no benefits and a fairly low pay for a 6 month trial period. They have the right to extend it an additional 3 months if you want to stay or they need you. After the 9 month total they have to do 1 of 2 things, put you on and staff you at 1 of their sub companies and pay you starting wages, benefits and put you in the union or let you go altogether.

When I started in May of 1990 I mentioned that I was just shy of my 19th birthday when I came in on that program. In September of 1990 they contracted me to start full time with Penn-York for October 15. So my trial period was 5 months. Even at the lower wages if you take the overtime and extra assignments you can still earn a pretty big check. One of the bozo twins had a suspended license though so that would impede his ability to do that. Most overtimes for the temp guys is drive a truck back from Baltimore. When they have Temps in the April to October half of the year some of what they have you do is get on a train to Baltimore *or wherever* and drive a truck back that was left at a job site.

But the program lets the company look at the workers and decide if they want to keep you or not. Kooks like that usually mess up and get weeded out before they end up with the fulltime job.

[Mahnarch]

Geesh! I leave for a few months and I miss all the excitement.

I don't see why they had the twins working at the same place. If they're a known element, you split them up.

[Phil]

Nov 15, 2011 14:58:01 GMT -5 Mahnarch said:

Geesh! I leave for a few months and I miss all the excitement.

I don't see why they had the twins working at the same place. If they're a known element, you split them up.

Those 2 are the lowest of the low too. Its almost comical that of all of the world's population to clone and those 2 are identical twins. Bad enough there's 1 person like that and there's an exact copy is sickening.