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Post by Jason O'Lewa on Feb 15, 2009 14:57:47 GMT -5
i played intermarals basketball the other day and they dont keep score
i had friends that played in a t ball league like that too
i play football, soccer, baseball, and roller hockey and they always keep score
i have ben on teams that we got killed and I supose its anoying bo lose 20 to nothing but you learn to get better if that happens you dont cry about it. or you do but you work on how to get better after that
not keeping score was stupid.
im pretty sure my team would have lost that game I was mentally trying to count I think it was them 20 and us 16 if I didnt miss any but thats sports you count.
why take tests then just give everybody a c that way nobody gets to the head of the class and nobody fails everybody is the same
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Post by Classicblast on Feb 17, 2009 2:23:22 GMT -5
I agree it doesn't help.
Yes everybody who played sports has been on the losing end of a massacre. Even in pro sports it still happens once in a while.
You pick yourself up and push back and recover from these things. Not refuse to keep score because you might destroy someone's self esteem for life.
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Post by Blastgirl on Feb 19, 2009 2:18:01 GMT -5
I think that's terrible. Kids can handle winning and losing. it's also a chance to teach them how life works. I have heard of that too and I think it's a terrible idea.
My energetic Husband is sleeping so Lewasite will be without him for tonight.
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Post by Classicblast on Feb 19, 2009 23:38:28 GMT -5
I don't see how playing sports without keeping score can motivate you to play better. It's as if they're trying to take competition out of sports altogether. I could see running a practice that way. You don't worry about the score bat 5 guys and switch. Catch the ball throw it hit it and pitch. I can see that but not for games themselves that's the idea of a game you do keep score and win or lose with it.
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Post by Kimm on Feb 22, 2009 17:42:02 GMT -5
They dont allow dodgeball in a number of schools anymore either because it encourages throwing a ball at people.
I dont think anybody got psychologically ruined by dodgeball.
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Post by Slayzie on Feb 22, 2009 20:50:07 GMT -5
Not psychologically ruined, Kimm, but physically injured. Kinda dumb, tbh, but concerned parents will be concerned parents.
And Jason, what the hell? What's the point of playing sports with no score kept? Never heard of such a phenomenon here, but I can imagine it'd destroy the possibility of the usual thrilling victory or crushing defeat. And where's the fun in the sport if there's no winner and loser? Where's the competitive drive?
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Post by Phil on Feb 23, 2009 14:58:27 GMT -5
Part of keeping score is to motovate people to work harder too. It's not to prove you're better than other people. No doubt sometimes that message is sent but it's not intended that way.
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Post by Jason O'Lewa on Feb 23, 2009 18:55:36 GMT -5
thats what I mean slayer that kind of silly
we are teaching my 5 year old brother to bowl but he is not ready
even a 8 pound ball is kind of heavy so we dont keep his score but he is learning that when he starts bowling with the rest of us we will keep it
he is 5 and not a league bowler though
i bowl after school every wednesday and thats for keeps
i have the 7th best average in my bowling league
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Post by CharlesW1969 AKA Baron on Jun 19, 2009 19:52:19 GMT -5
Playing poker is a lot like playing sports. They keep score at all times. Unlike other sports or activities, There is a champion, but there are rewards for those who didn't win and made a good showing. When I take a bad beat in poker and it's one that doens't eliminate me from the game. I just get my thoughts back together and focus on trying to get back into the game. A few days ago, I was in a hand and my opponent caught a miracle card on the river to beat me out of all but 100 of my chips. I had all in 4 times in a row to just get back to the starting chip count. Once I recovered, I ended up catching good cards and winning the tournament. The theme here is to never give up.
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Post by Classicblast on Jun 19, 2009 23:08:12 GMT -5
If I hit well I want to read it in the box scores. Oh yeah. I'm 34 and I said that. You know what? If I don't, it's going to end up in print and then some joker who wouldn't know a bat if he stepped on one is going to write about the old AA player who needs to hang it up and find a new career. So I'll take the 3 for 4 and a homer day in the boxes too.
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Post by Pumpkin on Jun 20, 2009 13:34:10 GMT -5
Back in my home state, (MN) there was a football coach who said it right: "why don't we just cancel the season and give everybody a championship trophy?" He was responding to the proliferation of classes in high school sports---you know, more kids need to have that state tournament experience to make it fair mentality. There are now 6 "classes" for the football post season, and 4 classes in basketball. Oh, and another thing: Years ago the used to have classes AA, A,B,C,D, and 9 man for football. Then it became politically incorrect to be less than A so now its 6A,5A,4A,3A....You get the idea. It gets too hard to follow when the sports headlines read something like "in 5A section 4" blah-blah. You need an interpreter just to follow it all. I liked it when it was a one class, 8 team state basketball tournament. It really meant something back in those days to make the tournament, be on state-wide tv, and play in front of 18,000 people. Can't even come close to that today. I digress a bit from the not keeping score concept, but to me, it's related. Everyone has to be a winner. Everyone has to be happy.....That's not the way life is, and sport is about learning about life too. There are winners and losers, and that's the way it is. End of my homily.  |
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Post by Kimm on Jun 20, 2009 14:49:44 GMT -5
Its a good homily Pumpkin.
Thats done with grades all the time too. Even where I teach some students who are athletes have higher grades than what their able to get through tests. I know that for sure.
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Post by Pumpkin on Jun 24, 2009 12:38:27 GMT -5
Kimm, that's a good point about grades.....I always have wondered why C's and B's became bad grades. Everyone has to have an A or it's tragic. A grade of B used to be something to be proud of.
I don't think that bell curve is used much any more when it comes to grades and grading.
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Post by Phil on Jun 24, 2009 16:22:48 GMT -5
Its a good homily Pumpkin. Thats done with grades all the time too. Even where I teach some students who are athletes have higher grades than what their able to get through tests. I know that for sure. That's always been the case. You mentioned in a post that I'm 10 years older than you. Therefore I'm 20 years older than the kids you teach now. And they did it then. We don't know your school so you haven't revealed anybody but I am admitting that Bradford is corrupt at least it was in and before 1989. It was always possible for select people to slide ahead on their average. If grading on a curve is making the class average a C that means that if the average was a 40% a 50% would be a B and anything over 60 would be an A. Why then don't they have it that if the average was a 85 Sometimes easy classes that happens. Then a 80 would be a D and anything less would fail. But it doesn't seem to work that way. Its better to just grade straight on merit and leave it at that. |
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Post by Pumpkin on Jun 26, 2009 15:36:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that is a weak point of that curve system. I once had a geography professor who "graded on a curve". His class was miserably hard to begin with, and his curve made it so no one got an A. Someone got to with 5 points of it. And this guy used to brag that he rarely gave out an A. He didn't think most students were capable of A work. Then there was a class I had where basically you got an A for just showing up to class and taking part in the discussion. Everyone got an A. I digress from the original topic about sports...Sorry.  |
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Post by Jason O'Lewa on Jul 1, 2009 11:40:14 GMT -5
a lot of schools dont play dogeball now because its mean to throw a ball at somebody
orelse they dont want to make slower reflexed people feel bad they cant get out of the way as fast
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Post by Pumpkin on Jul 2, 2009 14:36:48 GMT -5
I heard about that too Jason. I have mixed feelings about that. I was one of those slow reflex kids who really got nailed in dodge ball. I survived it though.   I don't know if it is right to protect everyone from every kind of difficulty life might offer. I'm not sure it helps in the long run. Life can hurt sometimes and people often do the hurting, like in dodge ball. |
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Post by Jason O'Lewa on Jul 17, 2009 19:02:00 GMT -5
thats like leagues that dont keep score
if thats how its going to be then why grade tests? a kid who gets a lower grade might grow up believing he cant learn and just ignore lessons from now on and then never learn to do anything
or you can teach them that if they want to get the grades of the higher kids you have to read your book and study your notes harder. also take more notes
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