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Post by Phil on Oct 31, 2008 13:12:33 GMT -5
I am not just singling out Joe Biden. This has been done many times over the years. Lloyd Bentson was in the same position in 1988. The democtratic nominee Mike Dukakis selected Bentson as the VP running mate. The situation is Biden accepted the vice presidential nomination. Yet he is still running for reelection to his senate seat in Delaware.
It's not illegal and its done all the time. But I think the person in that position should not be able to seek both positions at once.
If this was not a reelection year for his senate seat and him and Obama lost the presidential bid I would say it's ok for him to keep the senateorial seat but not to run for both in the same year.
I remember that George Bush sr won the election in 1988 but I'm pretty sure that Bentson did win his senatorial position back.
I just don't think it's fair to seek both seats. If Obama is elected Biden would have to resign as senator anyway. And he will almost certainly be reelected to that seat regardless of how the presidential race goes.
If he had not been up for senate re election and was elected vice president he would have to resign from the senate anyway but at least that woudlnt follow several months of campaigning for a position that you don't plan on serving.
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Post by Kimm on Oct 31, 2008 17:28:26 GMT -5
I think its a conflict of interest. If youre going to serve the people of Delaware and then youre running for vice president at the same time you cant really have the best intentions of both in mind. Its even biblical that a man can not serve 2 masters.
I can see that as a promotion as the vice president is the president of the senate but running for both is just a way of making sure you dont lose your job if you dont get your promotion.
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Post by Classicblast on Oct 31, 2008 23:02:20 GMT -5
I really never thought of this. I probably think that it's a conflict of interest. I think I would say that if you're a governor and you're in the middle of a 4 year term you shouldn't have to resign but if you're in an election year you should not be able to run for both jobs.
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Post by Blastgirl on Nov 5, 2008 3:47:03 GMT -5
I say it's a conflict of interest. Now that Biden has been elected Vice-President that means that Delaware Governor Ruth Minner can appoint a new Senator. That's the procedure if a Senator dies or resigns is the Governor can appoint someone.
That allows a six year term to someone who didn't have to run for that seat making the election nullified because time and efforts are wasted only to have a Governor appoint a Senator anyway.
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Post by Phil on Nov 5, 2008 15:13:26 GMT -5
In that case, at the time Biden accepted the nomination for vice President he should have automatically withdrawn from the senatorial race and the Delaware governor picked 2 or 3 people to run for a democratic primary and the winner of that primary run against the republican candidate on November 4.
Not just the governor pick a senator.
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Post by Kimm on Nov 9, 2008 15:08:19 GMT -5
They might as well just let the governor pick a new senator and skipped that election.
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Post by fartinggurl on Nov 9, 2008 16:59:28 GMT -5
Honestly, I've never really thought about it.
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Post by Classicblast on Nov 10, 2008 22:21:21 GMT -5
I never gave it much thought either. I'm leaning toward saying the same person should not run for both. I think Joe Liberman did the same thing in 2000.
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Post by dannyboy on Nov 15, 2008 12:18:27 GMT -5
I think the same as most people in this poll. If the replacement is chosen by the governor then the governor might as well have just chose a replacement and not bothered to elect a senator.
I realize that Biden would have kept the seat if Him and Obama lost the election but I think running for both is kind of not right.
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Post by thunderbird on Nov 18, 2008 3:40:02 GMT -5
I never thought of this but it is a conflict of interest.
I voted never thought but I wish I could vote twice in this poll because it's both. I dont' think he should have persued the election of senator after seeking vicePresident.
That governor would have had the time to choose a candidate to replace Biden in the senatorial race.
If he lost vicePresident then he just might have to find a job. It's like stealing 2nd base, you have to vacate 1st and if you get picked off you are out.
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Post by Blastgirl on Nov 18, 2008 3:58:39 GMT -5
I just thought of something? Thunderbird, my deer Brother-in-law, what if a Baseball player found himself without a contract, and he needed a job, would your business find room for a sturdy familiar guy?
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Post by Classicblast on Dec 27, 2008 0:21:07 GMT -5
What I can't get over is this. The Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, can appoint a successor for Obama once Obama takes the oath of President. All right standard procedure. So he allegedly and it probably is true put the position up to the highest bidder. Blagojevich will not resign and vows
Offering to sell the senatorial seat to whoever paid him the most. He deserves to be removed from office as long as he really has done what he is accused of.
When you're in a position where you can appoint someone you could get away with some personal intention in mind but you can't go that far.
New York is in the same situation with Hillary Clinton going to the Secretary of State spot. Caroline Kennedy is going to likely get that position. Some people say that she doesn't have experience but she has name recognition for being the daughter of a President.
Then again she replaces someone who had no government experience either but was the wife of a past President. Still if the Governor of New York sees Caroline to be the most fit for the job in his estimation that's fine.
Same story in Delaware just not auctioning off senatorial jobs.
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Post by Mahnarch on Feb 6, 2009 1:53:10 GMT -5
I had to pull out my "every citizen deserves an income" hat for this one.
I think he was O.K. to run for both positions at the same time.
I look at it like this:
Let's say my company is going through it's annual reviews and I may be let go or given a raise.
At the same time, I've put in an application to a bigger, national Logistics company just in case I lose my original job.
The new company may pay me more (or the same).
The old company may pay me more and I get to keep the seniority.
Either way, I get to keep my house and put food in my mouth.
Although, it's a long stretch between my Hamburger Helper and Biden's Caviar Helper.
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Post by Phil on Feb 6, 2009 14:41:54 GMT -5
I think that's a little different though Mahnarch.
Had it not been an election year for his senate seat I would not say he has to resign but his running for senate and being reelected and also being elected vice-President kind of makes it so the governor of Delaware appoints a senator. Like 6 years of a void in an election when they went through the motions anyway.
I see what you're saying too.
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Post by Mahnarch on Mar 5, 2009 0:43:16 GMT -5
Would 6 years without a Senator be so bad?....
I'll let that digest for a bit...heh.
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Post by Phil on Mar 5, 2009 13:45:56 GMT -5
Would 6 years without a Senator be so bad?.... Come to think of it, no. |
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Post by Mahnarch on Mar 6, 2009 22:27:03 GMT -5
HA!
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Post by Jason O'Lewa on Mar 7, 2009 18:11:29 GMT -5
mahnarch, I think that joe biden shoudl be more paterotic and pay more taxes because he told everybody else to do that
he can start with him since he is in executive government
or does that only pertain to people who dont write the laws
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