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Post by Phil on Nov 8, 2012 18:45:16 GMT -5
So marijuana is now being legalized in the states of Washington and Colorado.
I am of a conservative leaning and I do not think this is a good idea. The reason is governments federal and states are so broke they think they can now market, sell and tax marijuana like they do alcohol and cigarettes.
I have smoked pot I did it kind of often through high school. I smoked cigarettes until I was 31 years old, I seldom but still sometimes consume beer or other alcoholic beverages. I have not consumed enough to be drunk *intoxicated* in many years. When you have a wife and 3 young children your values change.
With that being said I do not support the legalization of pot for a number of reasons...
I find in most but not all instances it overtakes people. I know reports and studies have shown it is not addictive but I don't agree.
So what does Phil Ostrotkiewicz in Bradford, PA know that researchers don't? Probably nothing but I am willing to be more truthful. Tested in combat I have seen it change the attitude of co workers, they sometimes become less caring about their responsibility, their job and meeting deadlines. Rather they becomes more concerned about when they can pack their next bowl and less aware of what has ot be finished by the end of the work day.
I have seen this multiple times. I've seen it also be the bringing of losing of jobs and not really even caring about job loss.
I do not think it will be a good thing but it might bring fast money to the states.
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Post by Classicblast on Nov 9, 2012 2:18:06 GMT -5
I agree as most of the time we do.
Obviously all drugs have some medicinal value but most of the time its used recklessly to get high. I have seen and posted some tragic experiences I have seen.
I have even known it to result in death. Crime involved obviously.
The problem is right away people are going to give the states a big shot in the arm. People are going to go there on vacation just to smoke up. That means hotels and restaurants get a big boost and possibly even move there so they can legally smoke weed.
I don't think its a good thing.
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Post by Beangirl on Nov 11, 2012 13:50:35 GMT -5
I don't like it either. It will cause too much violence. It already has in California. Armed Robberies in Dispensaries. Robbing people who have it.People having it who don't need it.  |
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Post by Classicblast on Nov 12, 2012 2:18:31 GMT -5
I don't like it either. It will cause too much violence. It already has in California. Armed Robberies in Dispensaries. Robbing people who have it.People having it who don't need it. I think that's just for starters. I knew a kid who got shot over running substance. I've posted about that. That kid had the ability to reach Major League Baseball too. I didn't have a lot of team mates who were as good as that guy and I don't know that any of them were better. If he had half a brain he would have made it. Instead he found fast money and an early grave. |
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Post by Peon on Nov 13, 2012 0:34:16 GMT -5
The problem is right away people are going to give the states a big shot in the arm. People are going to go there on vacation just to smoke up. That means hotels and restaurants get a big boost and possibly even move there so they can legally smoke weed. How is any of that a problem? You think improving the economies of Colorado and Washington is a bad thing? People go to northern California for a different kind of drug tourism: wine tours. I don't hear much complaints from Napa Valley about that, and alcohol is far more dangerous of a drug than marijuana. |
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Post by Classicblast on Nov 13, 2012 1:42:26 GMT -5
No, of course not and I am pretty sure you know that wasn't the point.
I am saying that early improvements in the economy of those states are going to cause the costs and negative results of legalization to be ignored. This economic shot in the arm is going to come with a price tag, that I feel will, or at least probably will get ignored.
Tourism is not on the same level as pot smoking.
Alcohol can be dangerous especially if its traveled for the way reefer is going to he here.
I live in Tennessee now, but I was raised in a town called Olcott, NY. That's only a few miles from the Canadian border. The legal drinking age in Canada is 19 or at least it was when I was growing up there. My family still lives in Olcott I have not lived there in years and have not been to Canada in about 10 of those years. But you can or at least could then drink at 19 in Canada and that meant migration to Canada for no reason other than to drink happened and there were a series of problems with that. Obviously I can see similar things happening with this too.
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Post by Phil on Nov 13, 2012 15:50:25 GMT -5
The effects might be very much like pot itself. It may have some instant gratification but lose its effectiveness fairly soon and the side effects may be more long term than the benefits.
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Post by angel607 on Nov 17, 2012 18:25:44 GMT -5
i don't know much about pot or weed but people around me at a evanescence concert were doing it all around me. I got sick off it. my eyes were like bloodshot red and it knocked me for the night good. I hated it. I know some people need it for medical use to stop the pain. my ex did weed for years and has 2 weed dealers. his ex was booked for doing weed. I think their all messed up in the head. he lost his job at walmart because he is a store greeter and the manager asked him to do carts in the rain when the storm sandy hit. he refused and they fired him. I know he hated it there but it's better then being unemployed. he is really smart but made so many bad choices. there was just a story where a guy was doing pot then was arrested for doing something pretty discusting outside a busy hair salon. I would be afraid to see the crime rate go up with that stuff.
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Post by Peon on Nov 19, 2012 14:18:06 GMT -5
there was just a story where a guy was doing pot I would be afraid to see the crime rate go up with that stuff. Hahahaha. Never change, lewasite. Angel, your verbiage makes you sound so sheltered. The phrase "doing weed" makes weed sound like heroin or meth. It's really not. |
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Post by Phil on Nov 19, 2012 14:58:26 GMT -5
Like heroin or meth? Thats your interpetation. Some of us do not think legalization of pot is going to be a good thing in the long run. That does not mean we donot know the difference between an marijuana and heroin.
I have neighbors who allow their teenagers to drink beer. Myself being a 41 year old father of 3, I find that repulsive I do not allow Jason to go to that kids house. I will allow that kid here but only if my wife and or I are home. The obvious answer is if my 15 year old wants beer he will find it. Unfortunately I can't disagree with that but this stubborn old Polak is a bit too stubborn to just surrender on things like this.
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Post by Peon on Nov 20, 2012 20:41:59 GMT -5
Precisely: You may control what happens in your own house, but you shouldn't control what's in mine. That's what we all should want. That's why I think cannabis should be legal: it should be a personal decision whether to use it or not. That means that you as a parent can support it or oppose it. Same as alcohol, same as tobacco, same as prescription drugs. Fining or imprisoning adults for possessing cannabis or selling it to other adults is unjust.
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Post by Phil on Nov 21, 2012 14:53:50 GMT -5
Does that mean you see no problem at all with these people allowing their 12 and 14 year olds drinking beer as long as its their own home?
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Post by Peon on Nov 21, 2012 19:13:40 GMT -5
Yes, and the law in many countries agrees with me.
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Post by angel607 on Nov 21, 2012 23:18:40 GMT -5
where have I been sheltered? I tried to kill myself by overdosing on pills and cutting my wrists with scissors or broken glass. pretty much anything sharp to stop the emotional hell I was going through. at one point it was so bad I overdosed on pills drank and went to sleep. 911 was called to my house I was at the kitchen table and my head hit the table. my eyes went into the back my head as I went in and out of consciousness. if I had been in that bed for another hour the hospital said I would of died. I went to kidspeace twice for depression and a place in philly for a year. I been around a lot of bad stuff and didn't come close to living in a glass house. I am okay with a lot of things but illegal drugs are not for me.
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Post by angel607 on Nov 22, 2012 0:06:08 GMT -5
for the record I didn't want to come across as rude or judge mental. this is a discussion where we are free to get two sides of every story. I am saying I never saw the point of doing these drugs because it makes me sick. I don't tell people what to do or how to live. but I do not agree with teens drinking. they play drinking games sometimes for the first time they know nothing about and in the past it has killed many. people drive drunk and do not want to accept blame for killing others or seriously hurting other people. 12 and 14 year old are not responsible enough to drink at such a young age. many adults are not either. my friend wrote a book mostly about stories and poetry based on her life. I never knew she was hit by a drunk driver. but she was left in the hospital with so much pain it made me cry just reading it. the driver a year in jail I think. I think that's what he got but he walked away unhurt from the accident. I have to find the book in my room to see if I am correct about that sentence.
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Post by Classicblast on Nov 22, 2012 0:19:59 GMT -5
For reasons like this is why there is a minimum age for drinking especially. That the law hopes by then you're responsible enough to know your own mortality.
Obviously not always is the older more responsible. I think we all know irresponsible people that are over 30 over 40 over 50 and so forth: meanwhile we all probably know people in their teens and early 20s who are very responsible.
Obviously age and responsibility are not a sure thing to go together.
With that being said, its more common for that to be the case. So its probable that 21 year olds can decide better when enough is enough than a 14 year old. That at 16 you can start driving a car, at 18 you can smoke tobacco and at 21 you can consume alcohol.
In most states your auto insurance premiums get reduced when you turn 25 for the same reason age and responsibility. My children are a bit younger than Phil's kids, but I do not intend to let them drink when they're 14 either.
I've seen a lot of bad come from drug use even marijuana. I do not think it was a good idea either but it will play itself out.
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Post by Peon on Nov 22, 2012 2:52:52 GMT -5
The legal drinking age is 18 in most countries.
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Post by Phil on Nov 22, 2012 16:53:10 GMT -5
It was here in the United States when I was A kid, too. It did not effect my age group. The change happened about 1984 at that time I would have been 13. But I remember it.
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